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        "address": "list (a) k0nr.com",
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    "sender_name": "Bob K0NR - email list",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: [VHF] Re:  Re: VUCC costs",
    "date": "2011-01-26T04:25:23Z",
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    "content": "Nah, that computer thing is never going to catch on :-)\n\nBob K0NR\n\nOn 1/24/2011 7:10 PM, Jack/W6NF wrote:\n> Yes, I agree with Tim wholeheartedly.\n>\n> Paper cards are nice (I have a few from my Novice days in 1957) but I, like\n> many others, cannot afford the expense. I *do* QSL 100% when a card is sent\n> to me but LoTW is fine, too. To summarily reject LoTW, to invoke Mr. Spock,\n> not logical ;>)\n>\n> BTW, I use N1MM logger for all contests and ACLog for everything\n> else...painless, easy and I can use the logging program on CW to cover for\n> my rotten fist :>)\n>\n> 73,\n>\n> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Tim Marek<[email protected]>  wrote:\n>\n>> John and the rest of you LOTW doubters...\n>>\n>> The costs to use LOTW for VUCC, DXCC, or WAS contact credits IS NOTHING\n>> compared to the time, effort and money needed to collect cards the old\n>> fashioned way!  At near a buck a card domestically (Over 2$ Internationally)\n>> for the stamps to send them and as well as a SASE for their return.... all\n>> the waiting.... Lost or stolen mail, People who NEVER reply, followed by\n>> dealing with the cards after their collected, the hand sorting and filling\n>> in paper forms... what a royal pain and more importantly... a very\n>> inneficient way to do things...\n>>\n>> With the new LOTW system, you simply upload your logs, wait for them to\n>> cross confirm with other uploaded logs, spend less than 20 cents per QSO to\n>> INSTANTLY use those QSL credits for awards, with little muss or fuss...\n>>\n>> I really dont see what the problems is.... Its faster, safer, cheaper, and\n>> your log data is backed up forever.... Talk about a lasting legacy of your\n>> efforts!\n>>\n>> Compared to the OLD FASHIONED way of handling the laborious chore of\n>> QSLing, LOTW is a God send saving me much time, money, and alot of hand\n>> writing that I truly hate. (Try living in a rare state and you will\n>> understand)\n>>\n>> As one who has personally activated 57 grids at one time or another (Alot\n>> of them RARE), there is now a incentive to sort out and upload all those\n>> logs from the past 20 years. Not only will it help others who need those\n>> rare grids (CM86, CM95, CM96, CN90, CN91, CN92, DN00, DN10, DN11, DN20,\n>> DM07, DM17, DM18, DM19, DM27, DM28, and DM29 just to name a few) but... I\n>> can now file for additional 6M VUCC's from several of those grids as they\n>> were June Contest efforts from tall mountains with large antennas and KW\n>> power where more than 100 Grids was easily accomplished...\n>>\n>> Think about it... \"Nothing Is Free\"... the prices they ask are reasonable,\n>> and once uploaded who better to back up your logs than those whom you apply\n>> to for the awards!\n>>\n>> Personally, I dont understant why everyone isn't getting setup right now to\n>> dump their logs online to (at the very least protect those rare and precious\n>> contacts from being lost forever) and collect those contact credits w/o\n>> lifting a pen to paper or licking a single stamp...\n>>\n>> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09nm.... sk\n>>\n>> PS: I have been pushing LOTW for years to make this happen. Its not\n>> perfect, but compared to the old ways, its a VAST IMPROVEMENT!\n>>\n>> ----- Original Message ----- From: \"John Geiger\"<[email protected]>\n>> To:<[email protected]>; \"Amsat-Bb@Amsat. Org\"<[email protected]>;\n>> \"'VHF REFLECTOR'\"<[email protected]>\n>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:07 PM\n>> Subject: [VHF] Re: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>>   I WAS going to get an endorsement for my satellite and six meter VUCCs,\n>>> but given that it would cost me around 35 dollars each to get an endorsement\n>>> for an extra 150 grids, I don't think so. Hope this new insane fee schedule\n>>> doesn't kill VUCC submissions.  I think AMSAT awards will be getting much\n>>> more popular. 73s John AA5JG\n>>>\n>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:<[email protected]>\n>>> To:<[email protected]>\n>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:25 PM\n>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs\n>>>\n>>>> Nice explanation of the costs for VUCC in the Jeff Yanko blog. However, I\n>>>> did not see what happens with LOTW submisions.\n>>>> If the cost of awards keep going up, maybe the ARRL should offer award\n>>>> insurance as well as equipment insurance.  Just a thought.  :>)\n>>>> Merle, AA4QE\n>>>>\n>>> ------\n>> Submissions:                    [email protected]\n>> Subscription/removal requests:  [email protected]\n>> Human list administrator:       [email protected]\n>> List rules and information:     http://www-w6yx.stanford.edu/vhf/\n>>\n>\n>\n\n",
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