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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/2BQT57C3MBB4GSJIUGBBJ7SARFANLW3U/", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/", "message_id": "[email protected]", "message_id_hash": "2BQT57C3MBB4GSJIUGBBJ7SARFANLW3U", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/VMXF5IXOPLBWWR74BD74JG7XP5GZ6AWQ/", "sender": { "address": "andres (a) msu.edu", "mailman_id": null, "emails": null }, "sender_name": "STeve Andre'", "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: D STAR", "date": "2013-11-12T21:18:21Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/QTWYMYE2OYWVQTOWFBO3JA3Q2RA7Z7VE/", "children": [ "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/FMXZ5HWL4IBEWRYPNXCHGLVHV4BT2MSS/" ], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "*absolutely true*\n\nWe've surrendered freedoms by using this. ICOM of course had no real\nunderstanding or appreciation of this (I've talked with higher-up managers\nat Dayton), so it's become something we have to live with.\n\nIt does reek, however.\n\n--STeve Andre'\nwb8wsf en72\n\nOn 11/12/13 15:58, Rob wrote:\n> If I can't duplicate the codec .... understand the codec ... improve the\n> codec ... whether a ham developed it or not is irrelevant.\n>\n>\n>\n> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Angelo Glorioso <[email protected]> wrote:\n>\n>>\n>> Last question. Do you know for a fact that\n>> the AMBE codecs was not developed by\n>> a ham radio operator for that company???\n>> A lot of hams are in that business.\n>>\n>> 7 3 de Angelo\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>> ----- Original Message ----- From: \"Rob\" <[email protected]>\n>>> To: <[email protected]>\n>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM\n>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR\n>>>\n>>>\n>>> An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for example.\n>>>> Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. An\n>>>> amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking\n>>>> place in a single SSB \"channel.\"\n>>>>\n>>>> Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or\n>>>> someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it\n>>>> can't\n>>>> be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is suppose\n>>>> to be about.\n>>>>\n>>>>\n>>>>\n>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso <[email protected]>\n>>>> wrote:\n>>>>\n>>>> Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.\n>>>>> PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)\n>>>>>\n>>>>>\n>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: \"Rob\" <[email protected]>\n>>>>> To: <[email protected]>\n>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM\n>>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR\n>>>>>\n>>>>>\n>>>>> I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?\n>>>>>\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso <[email protected]>\n>>>>>> wrote:\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> \"To help the believer \" :-)\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it\n>>>>>>> in a long time.\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ???\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the\n>>>>>>> radio art!!!!!!\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> 7 3 de Angelo\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: \"Rob\" <[email protected]>\n>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>\n>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM\n>>>>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> \"To help the non beleiver.. \"\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.\n>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>> D-STAR is the \"fast-food\" of amateur radio (much the same way\n>>>>>>>> repeaters\n>>>>>>>> are\n>>>>>>>> ... but I digress)\n>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the\n>>>>>>>> radio\n>>>>>>>> art ... it does not promote innovation ...\n>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever\n>>>>>>>> you\n>>>>>>>> need to do to get on \"the net\" and talk to someone .... you've\n>>>>>>>> learned\n>>>>>>>> nothing and you've given nothing back.\n>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any\n>>>>>>>> value\n>>>>>>>> for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the\n>>>>>>>> highest\n>>>>>>>> bidder.\n>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/\n>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:\n>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:\n>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:\n>>>>>>>>>>> Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the >\n>>>>>>>>>> same\n>>>>>>>>>>> thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with > >\n>>>>>>>>> DSTAR\n>>>>>>>>>>> it\n>>>>>>>>>>> is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much >\n>>>>>>>>>> fun,\n>>>>>>>>>>> there is something for everyone\n>>>>>>>>>>> 73,s Damon\n>>>>>>>>>> But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. >\n>>>>>>>>> Only\n>>>>>>>>>> >\n>>>>>>>>> one\n>>>>>>>>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell\n>>>>>>>>> to a\n>>>>>>>>> handful of approved radio manufacturers.\n>>>>>>>>>> It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the >\n>>>>>>>>> AMBE\n>>>>>>>>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio.\n>>>>>>>>>> --\n>>>>>>>>>> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ\n>>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________\n>>>>>>>>>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the\n>>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>> author.\n>>>>>>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n>>>>>>>>> program!\n>>>>>>>>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>>>>>>>>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:\n>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174\n>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one\n>>>>>>>>> choose\n>>>>>>>>> to\n>>>>>>>>> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something\n>>>>>>>>> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who\n>>>>>>>>> wants\n>>>>>>>>> to\n>>>>>>>>> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication\n>>>>>>>>> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's\n>>>>>>>>> just\n>>>>>>>>> to say competition is already present.\n>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>> The cost question.\n>>>>>>>>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR\n>>>>>>>>> for\n>>>>>>>>> 700$\n>>>>>>>>> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just\n>>>>>>>>> an example and i'm not connected to their business.\n>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters-\n>>>>>>>>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1&\n>>>>>>>>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+\n>>>>>>>>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted\n>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>> I don't know where this \"I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham\n>>>>>>>>> radio\n>>>>>>>>> no one should use it\" trend come from but it's getting old...\n>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you\n>>>>>>>>> will\n>>>>>>>>> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the\n>>>>>>>>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you\n>>>>>>>>> don't\n>>>>>>>>> live on my planet.\n>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>> Just let folks live free...\n>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE\n>>>>>>>>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE\n>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>>>\n\n", "attachments": [] }