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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/2VCSYQSXHDK5N4VX6WBHY3VFJYKIBOCM/?format=api", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/?format=api", "message_id": "003701c9ff34$fcfb9c20$0300a8c0@Tanguray", "message_id_hash": "2VCSYQSXHDK5N4VX6WBHY3VFJYKIBOCM", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/2VCSYQSXHDK5N4VX6WBHY3VFJYKIBOCM/?format=api", "sender": { "address": "rogerkola (a) aol.com", "mailman_id": "8323dbe496014835b5bd2be9b5ff6f66", "emails": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/sender/8323dbe496014835b5bd2be9b5ff6f66/emails/?format=api" }, "sender_name": "Roger Kolakowski", "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS\tRe:Re:dream)", "date": "2009-07-07T18:58:59Z", "parent": null, "children": [], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "Don't forget the 6 meter Model control frequencies...\n\nRoger\nWA1KAT\n----- Original Message -----\nFrom: <[email protected]>\nTo: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; \"'Bob Bruninga '\"\n<[email protected]>\nSent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:05 PM\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS\nRe:Re:dream)\n\n\n> Good afternoon to all -\n> On the subject of amatuer paging\n>\n> While in an email letter to Nigel (sorry I don't remember his call)\n> I may have just convenced (sp) myself that paging is probably perfectly\nlegal in the ham bands\n>\n> Let's see if I can follow my own logic and then let's get a paging network\nup and running :-)\n>\n> I am not In front of my computer and not looking at Part 97 - so I maybe\noff a bit\n>\n> There are a couple of parts of part 97 that applie\n>\n> Paging is a digital mode - YES got that covered\n> POCSAG the format for paging is open and avaiable to anyone who wants to\nuse it - freely avaible protocal - YES got that covered\n>\n> The issue comes when you think as pageing as a one way device - now Part\n97 limits what type of one way transmittions we can do - I think it\nspecifically say there are three types of one way transmittions we can do. I\ncan't remember all of them - the two I do remember and I think applie are\ntrying to make a QSO and the telemetery - weather, local and national\nemergancy, dx reports, would fit without question into the telemetery\narea - each can be set on its own capcode and every amateur pager can have\nthose cap codes programmed into it - However\n> Pagers all have a \"personal\" capcode - we have a choice of either setting\nall of the personal capcodes to the same one - not using personal and not\nrecording the personal capcodes - OR finding the reasoning why a personal\ncapcode is legal to use -\n> We are allowed to make one way transmittions to establish a QSO - as I\nsaid I am not looking at part 97 but as I recall - it doesn't say we have to\nestablish on the same band or at the same time - just that we can use it to\nestablish a QSO -\n> So let's say I know your personal capcode - I send to you making a call up\nnow \"KF8II de KD8BXP pls call on 40meter 7.100 at 2200z\"\n>\n> I think that would be 100% legal. So it is all about content and not about\nthe techonolgy of it being a oneway device\n>\n> LeRoy, KD8BXP\n> http://www.HamOhio.com\n>\n> Sent on the Now Network from my Sprint® BlackBerry\n>\n> -----Original Message-----\n> From: \"Dave\" <[email protected]>\n>\n> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:28:27\n> To: <[email protected]>; 'Bob Bruninga '<[email protected]>\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re:\nRe:\n> dream)\n>\n>\n> Doesn't anyone know someone at the FCC to get a prelim opinion or 'sense\nof\n> the commission' without a rule having to be made? A phone call maybe...\n>\n>\n> Dave\n> DM78qd // KA0SWT\n> If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of television, we'd still\nbe\n> eating frozen radio dinners.-- Johnny Carson\n> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\n>\n>\n>\n>\n> -----Original Message-----\n> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On\n> Behalf Of Bob Bruninga\n> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:55 AM\n> To: Ben Jackson\n> Cc: [email protected]\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re:\nRe:\n> dream)\n>\n> >> Using paging devices on Amateur Radio is perfectly legal like any\n> >> other radio. It all boils down to use. If you use it for setting up\n> >> a one-way systemm for a pizza delivery service, it is clearly\n> >> illegal. If you use it as part of your overall local communications\n> >> network of amateur radio volunters it is just one more tool in the\n> >> tool box.\n> >\n> > Unfortunately, the way Part 97 currently reads is that most pager\n> > transmissions to an individual are illegal under §97.111(b), as it is\n> > a \"one way\"\n> > transmission that, in most cases, would not qualify under the \"legal\"\n> > list.\n>\n> Sorry, one can also claim that every transmission is one-way because only\n> under full duplex conditions is a system truely two-way. There are all\n> kinds of applications in amateur radio where one side of the link uses\n> different hardware than the other return side, and once can make all kinds\n> of arguments as to how much delay is involved between the transmission and\n> the receiption.. 3 seconds? 10 seconds, a minute? 10 minutes? A day?\n> When you make a call to a party TO ESTABLISH commmunications it is one\nway,\n> until the person gets his system going and responds.\n>\n> In my mind a pager is just another way of making the call. THe intent is\n> NOT ONE WAY, it is to provide a call-up or a message as part of a CLEARLY\n> TWO-WAY amateur network.\n>\n> There is no reason to nit pick rules. When one is broadcasting (one way)\nto\n> the general public or using amateur radio inappropriately, I think\neveryone\n> can tell when it is blatanly illegal. I just don't see the FCC cares one\n> nit about some of these debates when any one can see that hams are taking\n> initiative to better their use of the radio art.\n>\n> >> You just have to ignore the curmudgeons who have nothing better to do\n> >> than nit-pick ways to prevent other hams from developing useful\n> >> applications of technology. A pager is simply the text-to-user\n> >> device integrated into the normal local 2-way amateur radio\n> >> communications system.\n> >\n> > The issue is that, according to Part 97, it can't be used beyond QSTs,\n> > telemetry, or \"necessary\"\n> > emergency communications. Could I get away with setting up such a\n> > system? Likely. Do I foot to stand on when my local OO comes knocking?\n> > Not so much.\n>\n> Some OO's are part of the problem, not the solution...\n>\n> >> An amateur satellite would make a great downlink to these pagers.\n> >> Again, the goal should simply be, any message, any time, anywhere\n> >> using any device to any user by callsign alone.\n>\n> Bob, WB4APR\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n>\n\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n----\n\n\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n\n", "attachments": [] }