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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/3DA6BXK45MR2FKMWIPY7PNXUS5CKTOZF/?format=api", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/?format=api", "message_id": "001a01c8e9bc$faafd550$0200a8c0@kc6uqh", "message_id_hash": "3DA6BXK45MR2FKMWIPY7PNXUS5CKTOZF", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/XB7TWZJR5SFNNKWR45QXYZ2PI3LXUFBA/?format=api", "sender": { "address": "kc6uqh (a) cox.net", "mailman_id": "d9201820d18047e4a2772c86bda5e111", "emails": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/sender/d9201820d18047e4a2772c86bda5e111/emails/?format=api" }, "sender_name": "kc6uqh", "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...", "date": "2008-07-19T16:32:04Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/KLECSRMTPTWG2PN7FHW4RDC6T53G6JX7/?format=api", "children": [ "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/MAJPY7VNB3RN5CWIAQEEMJV2PHFLGRWR/?format=api", "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/D3V4LCIHJR77H7EDHDD7SCFYJLNCABIZ/?format=api", "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/YWGKMOCZM2KVW5SYC4YPMCY66FW6ROCI/?format=api" ], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "Dee,\nI am a past president of the Palomar Amateur Radio Club, The only way I got volunteers was to personaly ask them on a one on one basis.\nAmsat is not an option for me.\n1. I have a full time job\n2. I am still involved with the Palomar Club and receintly rebuilt one of thier repeaters.\n3. My arthritic 6'2\" frame does not fit in a seat for a 6 year old child on a commercial aircraft. \n4. At age 65 I can not spend 4-5 hours every night and continue my full time employment.\n\nIf someone wants some help I may have something to offer locally. I used H/B antennas one on a 6'step ladder to sucessfully work AO-40. These are not solutions ICOM and YEASU wants to see published, they want to sell equipment! Low tech solutions are enjoied by only a few.\n\nArt\n\n\n\n----- Original Message ----- \n From: Dee \n To: kc6uqh \n Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; Rick Hambly \n Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:26 AM\n Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...\n\n\n kc6uqh wrote:\n\nBob,\nThere was a time not long ago when one Amateur could do an amazing project.\n\nToday the multi-disiplines required to put a S/C together and get it into \nspace, require a well managed team effort. This is true for any cutting edge \ntechnoloigy of today.\n\nAmateur Radio can only do team efforts, provided the team respects each \nother and everyone has complementry skills.\n\nLeadership is required to bring the skills needed together and maintain a \ncritical mass long enough to complete the project.\n\nI came into electronics at an early age, restored a receiver that was \nrecovered from a sunken ship and listened to Spuknik on it in 1957. I have \nspent my whole life in electronics and have enjoied the many projects I \nworked on.\n\nHow many parents would allow there son to work on a receiver with 400VDC \npresent in this day and age, where a helmet is now required to ride a \nbicycle? Where is the youth of today going to get the practical experience \nrequired to build a satellite?\n\n TV has all but ruined creativity and imagination. There is a big difference \nbetween a computer simulation and application in the physical form! AMSAT is \nnot going to get many more chances to assemble a team that had the skills to \nmake Oscar 10 and 13. Time is not on our side. Amatuers with the right skill \nsets are mostly my age, Most youth of today would have trouble with \nsoldering and operating a screwdriver, that is if thier parents would alow \nthem to try.\n\nArt, KC6UQH\n\n----- Original Message ----- \nFrom: \"Robert Bruninga\" <[email protected]>\nTo: <[email protected]>\nSent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:14 AM\nSubject: [amsat-bb] How volunteerism works...\n\n\n Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what \"needs to be\ndone\"... And most of them are pointed at better \"management\"...\nOr better \"direction\" of what is being done (by others)...\n\nThe issue in an all volunteer organization is not \"what\" needs\nto be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the\n\"management and direction\" but the actual WORK. That requires\nvolunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and\nthick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from\nthe peanut gallery...\n\nCounter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers\nwe need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting\nin there and \"kicking butt\" and \"better management\"... You do\nthat in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing\nleft but managers and butt kickers and complainers.\n\nThis happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to\nthe local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now\nthat the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have\nabout 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham\nradio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a\nneed and jump in to fill it.\n\nIt is very simple!\n\nIf you can contribute \"work\" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise\n\"get out of the way\" and contribute money, food, encouragement,\nand assistance to those that do. \"Ankle-biting, naysaying, and\ncomplaining\" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you\ndon't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go\nanother way and see if you can find followers (workers, not\nditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making\nprogress in their direction... That's the only way progress is\nmade in volunteer organizations...\n\nThis is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30\nyears...\nBob, WB4APR\n\n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus \nsignature database 3230 (20080701) __________\n\nThe message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.\n\nhttp://www.eset.com\n\n\n \n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n\n All,\n I think that you are all on the same floor of the building now. After a few days of postings, I'd like to chime in. What has happened in the past\n with Satellite building is a that a group of \"Friends\" got together and decided that \"hey, let's do this!\" As friends, they knew each other well and \n enjoyed each others company regardless of drawbacks and shortcomings. On that level, as I believe, is how we should approach any management style.\n As some of our shirts say \"We all are (or not) Rocket scientists.\" \n The goal is the same, to enjoy satellites built by our peers. The other 99% should support them with fund raisers, attending hamfests to show\n others what we are trying to do and bring them on our side of the ropes. \n I also noted a few weeks ago that there are BOD members openings and if you feel that you could have offered better ideas and directions, you would\n get on the proper bandwagon and ramp up towards that direction. I only see 4 on the ballot. So once again, comments are shallow and only\n potshots at the people that are volunteering their time, efforts, experience and direction are flung out into the ether.\n Constructive comments are always welcome to keep the organization on track. Those that want to detract others from the smooth operation\n of an organization as AMSAT-NA ,be ready with their services to back up ideas with action.\n 73,\n Dee, NB2F\n NJ AMSAT Co-ordinator\n East coast \" \"\n\n\n __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3230 (20080701) __________\n\n The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.\n\n http://www.eset.com\n", "attachments": [] }