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        "address": "john (a) papays.com",
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    "sender_name": "John Papay",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb]   Re: Rare Grids and Gridpeditions",
    "date": "2009-07-25T00:40:07Z",
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    "content": "Drew,\n\nI appreciate your comments about what AO-51 can and cannot do.\nThere is no problem if the v/u mode comes down on 435.150 rather\nthan 435.300 except for the polarization difference.  Those with\nRight Hand Circular Polarization (RHCP) will have a difficult time\nhearing the Left hand (LHCP) downlink.  Those with yagi's etc won't\nbe affected and that includes most of the new people.  A downlink\non 435.150 is better than no UHF Voice downlink at all.\n\nAs far as dxpeditioners working ssb birds, most of us can do that.\nBut who are we going to work? - only the few that have ssb equipment.\nThe new people starting out are likely to only have a FM handheld\nor mobile.  These are the people that will be going for their first\naward.  As they progress, they'll start working towards their first\n100 grid VUCC award and maybe Worked All States, especially if they\nare on the west coast and can work Hawaii on a FM bird.  We cannot\nexpect everyone to invest in  L and S band equipment to work the\nhandful of people who operate those modes.  If it weren't for the\npeople that bought their radios/antennas/converters a long time ago,\neven fewer would be operating L/S.\n\nIt's a lot harder to work grids now than it was years back.  If you\nworked your 550 grids on birds that have the footprint of AO-51,\nyou're a stellar operator.  These days you have to pull out the stops\nto do it and if it weren't for the grid dxpeditioners, it would be\ntough to do half that amount.  Without V/U FM, you don't get to\nthose totals very fast, if ever, on today's birds.\n\nThere does need to be a balance between modes and AO-51 is certainly\na versatile satellite that can serve many different interests.  What\nwe need to keep in mind is that new people are the future of AMSAT.  If\nthey don't have an FM voice mode, there is no other likely entry point\nfor them.  And if no one is going out on grid dxpeditions because there\nis so little v/u airtime per day, the organization will never grow.\nThere would be no interest in DXCC if there were no dxpeditions.  I think\nthat there would be a lot less interest in operating satellites if there\nwas no VUCC and grid dxpeditions to facilitate working something new on\na regular basis.  Making a contact with the same people over and over\ngets old quickly.  Put someone like WD9EWK in Utah, ND9M all over the\neastern US including Delaware, KD8CAO in northeastern Michigan and Drummond\nIsland, KB0RZD on a 4 corner grid boundary in Missouri and even K8YSE \nin Delaware\nfor those that missed ND9M, and AO-51 COMES ALIVE.  XE2AT who is\nat the top of the VUCC leader board with over 900 grids worked is in\nthere calling KD8CAO in EN86 and EN76.  There are no pileups on L/S\nand the BBS.\n\nThat being said, I only ask that configurations that preclude a\nFM V/U transponder be kept to a minimum.   We need to do everything we\ncan to encourage new people to enter the world of satellites and we\nneed to support those who operate from other grids and give everyone\nsomething to work for.\n\nI will be listening for you on AO-7 et. al.  Have a great trip.  Don't\nforget to post your operating schedule on the amsat-bb so we know\nwhen to look for you and what grids you'll be in.\n\nJohn K8YSE\n\n\nDate: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:43:03 -0400\nFrom: \"Andrew Glasbrenner\" <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: Rare Grids and Gridpeditions\nTo: <[email protected]>, \"John Papay\" <[email protected]>\nMessage-ID: <58370780F3A14122A8BB648728DFAD90@Andrewlaptop>\nContent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=\"iso-8859-1\";\n         reply-type=original\n\nJohn,\n\nI certainly understand where you are coming from, although I disagree with\nsome of your positions. AO-51 is currently our only satellite with multiple\nmodes (other than ISS), our only S band satellite, our only BBS, our only L\nband satellite, etc. Unfortunately our power budget doesn't allow us to run\nevery mode we want to at the same time. This problem will only get worse as\nthe batteries age. We are already at the point where after this extended\nperiod of mostly full illumination, we will most likely only be able to run\none transmitter at any time, and possibly not the S band in eclipse\nat -all-.\n\nThe good news is that the full illumination lasts for quite a while, and\nduring this period we can support two UHF transmitters at a high power\nlevel, or one UHF at modest power and the S band transmitter. If we run\nseparate S and UHF, the UHF downlink will have to be on 435.150, as the\n435.300 and S transmitters share an audio path.\n\nSo...that being said, do not expect us to completely forego L and S just for\nmore grid swapping, as fun as it is (I'm at 550 confirmed). Send your\nrequests in early for whatever mode you'd like, and we will try to honor\nthem. Meanwhile, get your S band downconverters ready for portable ops, your\n817s and 706s working with SatPC32 on a laptop, and be ready to occasionally\nrun your grid trips on ALL the satellites. It's a real shame to hear so many\nops on V/U FM, and so few on V/U and U/V SSB/CW.\n\nSince I try to walk the walk, look for me on the SSB -and- FM birds as G/\nand OZ/KO4MA over the next 2.5 weeks. I hope to stretch the footprint to\nNorth America on FO-29 and AO-7 with my little 817 and Arrow setup.\n\nMode requests should go to [email protected], not to me direct.\n\n73, Drew KO4MA\n\n > We have enjoyed a long stretch of AO51 being in the V/U mode on\n > 435.300.  After the end of the month, the bird will be in sunlight\n > continuously and that will allow higher power and other modes to be\n > used.  If AO51 is in a non-V/U voice mode, as it was for a 2 week period\n > not long ago, grid dxpeditions are not going to be worthwhile.  If\n > you plan a vacation ahead of time, you might find later that the bird\n > will not be in a v/u voice mode during your trip.\n >\n > The Operations Team sets the schedule and they do it based upon\n > requests from the membership for alternate modes.  Personally I think\n > that there should always be a 435.300/145.92 mode available.  Everyone\n > who is interested in chasing grids or activating grids away from their\n > home\n > should email KO4MA and request that V/U voice remain on.  You cannot\n > plan anything if you don't know if AO51 will be in V/U voice during your\n > trip.  The schedule is based upon input from the membership and if we\n > don't make our requests, those that want the bird in other modes (both\n > transponders) will most likely be served.  The second transponder is fine\n > for other modes but there are probably some modes that cannot be activated\n > if V/U voice is to remain on.  Maybe Drew can clarify this for us.\n >\n > There are some that would say that there are other satellites that can\n > be used for FM voice.  Very true, however, if you are out there trying\n > to activate grids, not having AO51 available is a handicap.  You spend a\n > lot of money to do it and then have 1/3 of your potential air time, on the\n > best FM satellite up there, not available to you.  It makes no sense.\n >\n > I'm on L band now and will have S band RX running soon.  I enjoy setting\n > up for different modes.  But after you work a few stations in those modes,\n > and fine tune your equipment, there's not much left.  Chasing grids never\n > ends.  There's always one more to work.\n >\n > If you are interested in working or activating new grids, please email\n > KO4MA\n > and request that AO51 always have one V/U voice transponder available.\n > There\n > is no guarantee that this will always work, but if there are no emails, it\n > is\n > likely that there will be more periods of non V/U voice on AO51.\n >\n > John K8YSE\n\nJohn Papay\[email protected]\n\n",
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