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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/4XNAHEC2DBAMH4SOTDOJCBBRVNKYOW54/",
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    "sender_name": "ANTHONY JAPHA",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: [!! SPAM]  Re:  The Journal and \"Progress\"",
    "date": "2008-08-06T23:59:23Z",
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    "content": "Hi Bruce,\nGood to hear from you.  The news about P3E completion is very good.  If the\nMars connection helps to sell it, that's good strategy.  \n\nWhat DX have you worked recently?\n73,\nTony, N2UN\n\n\n> [Original Message]\n> From: Bruce Robertson <[email protected]>\n> To: <[email protected]>\n> Cc: Amsat-Bb <[email protected]>\n> Date: 8/6/2008 7:34:48 PM\n> Subject: [!! SPAM]  Re: [amsat-bb] The Journal and \"Progress\"\n>\n> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:07 PM, ANTHONY JAPHA <[email protected]>\nwrote:\n> > Greetings All,\n> > Just received the May/June Journal.  It is extremely disheartening.\n> >\n> > For the 2nd issue in a row, there's no status report on Eagle (using\nthe term in the broad sense as W2GPS uses it, to include the possibility of\na rideshare).  In Rick's Apogee View, there are the most vague references\nto progress, but the whole piece could have been written long, long ago. \nNo conceivable definition of a progress report would include that writeup. \nThere is not a single specific citation of real progress.  We can only\nassume there has been none.\n> >\n> > This criticism has nothing to do with the difficulty in identifying an\naffordable launch opportunity, the discussion of which has been lengthy\nhere.  It has to do with getting ready for a launch if and when it appears\npossible.  At one level, this is a chicken and egg problem; without a\nspecific launch opportunity, what is to be built?  But, the way to get out\nof a chicken and egg situation is to acquire either a chicken or an egg. \nWe have neither.  Without a chicken there'll never be an egg, and vice\nversa.\n> >\n> > Let's get a bird basically ready to go, i.e. designed, prototyped,\ntested, refined, etc.  Where are we on these steps?  How much more money is\nneeded to get us there?  Is the prospect of raising that amount of money\ngood or is it as grim as being able to afford a launch?\n> >\n> > I continue to think that there is enough talent here to do the real\nstuff.  That has been demonstrated many times.  What there is little\nevidence of is the capacity to manage the effort in a way that improves the\nprospects of pulling the pieces (finance, planning, decision making) \ntogether.\n> >\n> > If I am wrong about all this, then please show the evidence.   Just\nwhere are we on the many pieces that will comprise the bird?  When will\nthey be finished?  How much will it cost?  etc, etc, etc.  I don't buy\n\"progress\" when none is apparent.  Please make it apparent to us.\n> >\n> > 73,\n> > Tony, N2UN\n> > LM 183\n>\n> Tony and everyone --\n>\n> Forgive me if I'm repeating what you know; I don't have the new issue\n> of the Journal, I'm just stating what I understand from other sources.\n> In particular, the AMSAT-UK symposium two weekends ago had a long\n> presentation on P3E. It is supposed to be done by the end of the year.\n> Launch costs are prohibitively high, many millions of euros. However,\n> AMSAT-DL is presenting P3E and P5A as a package to the German national\n> space agency and hopes it might receive funding in that way. P3E would\n> be the test-bed for P5A.\n>\n> I know you are not asking about this specifically, but I thought at\n> the time that it did not get sufficient publicity on the bb, so I'm\n> writing it here. I understand the presentations will be published\n> online once the video is tidied up. The one on P5A is very\n> interesting, as is the one on Delfi N3xt. After the presentation on\n> P5A, I started pricing a dish :-)\n>\n> 73, Bruce\n> VE9QRP\n\n\n",
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