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    "sender_name": "Dee",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: FW:   A Proposal for ARISS",
    "date": "2011-07-02T15:38:23Z",
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    "content": "Tony,\nThanks for giving this some credence.  Although AMSAT is a supporter of\nARISS, We are NOT ARISS.   There are members of our group that assist with\ndecisions and actually supply some of the required gear.  ARISS must stand\nfor an educational aspect working along with the Astronauts.  Yes, the\nARISSat project seemed to be turned into an add on by the other users of the\nInternational Space Station but hopefully will be redirected back into what\nit was intended to do.  This should have been done a while ago and now we\nare in the summer hiatus of American schools and hopefully will be\nfunctioning at the opening of the school session later this year.  See ANS\n184 for update on this.\nLet us insure that the AMSAT goals of future satellites are still primarily\nat the top of the list.  It is because of volunteers like Tony that we keep\nactivities growing.\nSee you on the birds.\n73,\nDee, NB2F\n\nDear Friends,\n\nIt is important to understand that ARISS is not AMSAT.\n\n From the ARISS web page:\n\"ARISS, (Amateur Radio on the International Space Station) is a program that\noffers an opportunity for students to experience the excitement of Amateur\nRadio by talking directly with crewmembers of the ISS (International Space\nStation). Teachers, parents and communities will see how Amateur Radio can\nenergize youngsters about science, technology, and learning. Speaking with\nastronauts and other crewmembers is a unique educational experience. ARISS\nwould like to take this opportunity to involve large numbers of individuals,\nparticularly youth, in technology and the International space program with\nthe help of Amateur Radio.\"\n\nThe primary reason NASA supports ARISS is to promote their Science,\nTechnology, Engineering and Math (STEM) education initiatives.\nThis is also true of our Russian friends at RSC-Energia and the other\nmembers of ARISS International.\n\nSo, please excuse my bluntness here, but a transponder that is solely for\nthe benefit of hams to contact each other, is just not going to \"fly\" as an\nARISS project as it does not support the program mission.\n\nAMSAT has supported the ARISS program because of the opportunity to put ham\nradio hardware in space, including ARISSat-1, without having to pay launch\ncosts. These costs really are \"astronomical.\" There is no chance we could\nafford put any hardware on the ISS without it being a part of the ARISS\nprogram.\n\nP3E sits on the ground because it costs far more than hams could possibly\nafford to pay to launch it into orbit. AMSAT-DL has done a great job\npromoting the science mission aspects of P3E in an attempt to get government\nfunding for it but so far, it has been to no avail.\nWe certainly all wish them luck but realistically, it is a very tough\nenvironment.\n\nThe primary reason AMSAT is pursuing the Fox program is because we CAN\nactually afford the launch costs. Although the very tiny size of a CubeSat\n(4\" x 4\" x 4\") makes it technically very challenging because we want to\nactually make contacts through it not just listen to it beep, you can be\nassured that it will not sit on the shelf for lack of a launch.\n\nI hope this helps to clarify the situation.\n\nThe next AMSAT Journal issue will have a report on my recent participation\nat the Small Payload Rideshare Conference. Several of the presentations\nincluded ballpark launch cost numbers for small satellites. The numbers\n(like $10M+) are eyepopping to say the least.\nIt is clear that AMSAT has to take an opportunistic approach and pursue all\nof the opportunities we can find for low-cost or free launches.\n\n73,\nTony AA2TX\nAMSAT, VP Engineering\n\n----\n\nOn 7/1/2011 7:03 PM, Edward R. Cole wrote:\n> Dee,\n>\n> Thanks.  Not sure this a SAREX Project but will let them decide that.\n>\n> My only thought is a new satellite must find a launch and launch \n> money.  MY proposal would get a ride to ISS with cargo.  I am not \n> minimizing the issues for placing ham satellite on ISS, but I think \n> the concept has promise.\n>\n> If Fox or P3E sit on the shelf for 5-10 years for lack of a launch \n> maybe better redirected for ISS.  Not my call, obviously.\n>\n> 73, Ed - KL7UW\n> PS: some of us are getting old and may not still be here in 10-years?\n>\n> At 02:19 PM 7/1/2011, you wrote:\n>> Redirected to the SAREX group.  I do not agree with all of these \n>> point, however, No standing program should be de funded to do these. \n>> Get another satellite up ASAP is AMSAT's main goal.\n>> 73,\n>> Dee, NB2F\n>>\n>> -----Original Message-----\n>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] \n>> On Behalf Of Edward R. Cole\n>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 4:55 PM\n>> To: [email protected]\n>> Subject: [amsat-bb] A Proposal for ARISS\n>>\n>> After posting some thoughts a few days ago (RE: ISS, what the heck \n>> happened?), I have given the idea more consideration.\n>>\n>> Proposal (ARISS on ISS):\n>> 1)  Install a 100-KHz transponder unit on ISS, with usual digital \n>> beacon/engineering\n>> 2)  It would run mode-UV\n>> 3)  Installed internally in the ISS\n>> 4)  Replace most of the current ISS ham radio equipment\n>> 5)  Could be considered an upgrade/improvement to the existing ham \n>> radio on ISS\n>> 6)  Use ISS power and existing ham radio antenna infrastructure (no \n>> solar panels)(no thermal requirements for space environ)(perhaps less \n>> radiation\n>> hardening)\n>> 7)  Use batteries for stand-alone operation (recharged from ISS \n>> power)\n>> 8)  Control commanded from ground (no intervention required by \n>> astronauts)\n>> 9)  Local access for use of astronaut-hams\n>> 10)  Provide emergency back-up comms for ISS (perhaps with a separate \n>> FM\n>> channel)\n>> 11)  (perhaps) Use of existing ham-radio handheld on ISS on low-power \n>> to dedicated receiver which would activate astronaut repeater channel.\n>> 12)  This FM channel could be used as FM ham repeater when not in use \n>> by astronauts  (means world-wide monitoring for the astronauts as \n>> well as normal Leo FM activity)\n>> 13)  Modular design for future upgrades and/or repair (easy \n>> installation by\n>> astronauts-plug*n*play)\n>> 14)  Segmented pass-band to allow packet/APRS digipeating\n>> 15)  Transmitters able to be shut down for eva and other critical \n>> missions either locally on ISS or from ground.\n>> 16)  Perhaps a special Rx/Tx on ISS eva channel for cross-band repeat \n>> in event of loss of atmosphere emergency (help to sell the concept to \n>> NASA as a comms back-up).\n>> 17)  No need for orientation (spin or de-spin), rad hardening, \n>> thermal structures (air-cooled), no propulsion, no launch requirements.\n>> 18)  Easily maintained by supply from ground (repairs or upgrades).\n>> 19)  Long-Life\n>>\n>> Re-direct of either Fox or P3E efforts?  (no launch requirement-rides \n>> as cargo to ISS)\n>>\n>>\n>> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45\n>> ======================================\n>> BP40IQ   500 KHz - 10-GHz   www.kl7uw.com\n>> EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-?\n>> DUBUS Magazine USA Rep [email protected] \n>> ======================================\n>>\n>> _______________________________________________\n>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\nprogram!\n>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>>\n>> _______________________________________________\n>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\nprogram!\n>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n>\n> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45\n> ======================================\n> BP40IQ   500 KHz - 10-GHz   www.kl7uw.com\n> EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-?\n> DUBUS Magazine USA Rep [email protected] \n> ======================================\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n>\n\n",
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