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    "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/YFW7VUHVTJ6BW6JL3CH4RDPY7MJAMELC/?format=api",
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        "address": "johnag9d (a) gmail.com",
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    "sender_name": "John Spasojevich",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes",
    "date": "2012-09-19T22:09:16Z",
    "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/YFW7VUHVTJ6BW6JL3CH4RDPY7MJAMELC/?format=api",
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    "content": "The way I understand this age old train of thought and I get it a lot from\nmy local hams when I do a hamfest for AMSAT in my area is that, just like\nin many ham clubs, there are a group of people who feel that they are \"real\nhams\". Whether it's because they had to pass a harder test ( as in the old\nadvanced test was harder then the current extra ) of they had to pass a 20\nWPM code test or they had to drive to the FCC and that people coming into\nthe hobby today are second class citizens, not good enough because the test\ncriteria changed. Same thing with AMSAT. Unless you work linear birds you\nare not a \"real\" satellite operator. We can take that a step or two\nfarther. I'd say you are not a real satellite operator unless you use the\nold Oscar Locator, figure your own pass predictions without the benefit of\na computer. We can make the argument of who is a better man all day long\nand still end up with the same two groups on opposite sides of the room.\nNo doubt a HEO bird or geosync is idea, we've read it here a million times.\nWe've heard the \"build it and they will come\" comments a million times. No\none ever talks about the reality. Most of you guys who want HEO admit that\nyou don't support AMSAT in it's current mission. So I assume you don't go\nto symposiums or have other routes to information.  How much did AO40 cost\nin it's day?  That part I don't know. I recall a slide from the 2010\nSymposium I think it was that showed the cost of a replacement AO-51 and it\nwas around $500K, the price IntelSat wanted just to place a transponder on\nthe open space of their bird and carry it to geosync was $1.2M.  So how\nlong will it take all of you \"build it and they will come\" guys to pony up\nthat kind of money?  Then there is a launch...visit www.batc.tv and watch\nAMSAT-DL's 2012 symposium update.  P3E is sitting almost ready to go, the\nhardware is nearly 5 years old...there is no launch...no   one can\nrealistically raise that much money. If you have noticed there is not\nreally that much development of new launchers so no opportunities to ride\nas ballast like in the old days.\n\nIf you are going to push education, it's not real easy to sell someone like\nNASA who has launchers available, that their interest in education is\nserved by launching an AO-40 replacement when it'll be full of \"real hams\"\nand little opportunity for students. The road to reduced cost launches lies\nwith the education card and that is the path AMSAT-NA is on and until one\nof the \"real hams\" wants to step up and head a drive to raise several\nmillion dollars, I think you'll all be dead a buried before another AO-40\nflies.\n\nJohn - AG9D\n\nOn Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM, John Becker <[email protected]> wrote:\n\n> I sent this direct first but was rejected because I'm not on his \"approved\"\n> list.\n>\n>\n> Ken\n> I really think that there are a large number like myself waiting to\n> see what is going to happen for a replacement for AO40.\n>\n>  From people that I have talked to with a license calls above tech\n> and more then a HT could care less about another FM bird.\n>\n>\n> John\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n> At 03:47 PM 9/18/2012, you wrote:\n> >I disagree with the principle of prodding apathetic people to vote.  If\n> somebody isn't willing to do the research, fill out a card, and mail it\n> back, then why should we go out of our way to get a vote they themselves\n> apparently don't care about.  I'm more interested in the opinions of those\n> who are motivated enough to do this relatively simple task.  I don't\n> understand the fixation with getting a higher percentage of the membership\n> to vote.\n> >\n> >73, Ken N2WWD\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n",
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