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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/AMRXF3OUVEMSPFIXCEALE4IXT3QN74L7/", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/", "message_id": "122820081740.21721.4957BA0F00092CC7000054D922243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF049BCC02@att.net", "message_id_hash": "AMRXF3OUVEMSPFIXCEALE4IXT3QN74L7", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/CPCXBNSS3ISIJV3DQQWKYJCS3IAPNQXK/", "sender": { "address": "n3tl (a) bellsouth.net", "mailman_id": null, "emails": null }, "sender_name": "[email protected]", "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: give the newbie the full story on ELK and ARROW\tplease", "date": "2008-12-28T17:40:32Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/CPCXBNSS3ISIJV3DQQWKYJCS3IAPNQXK/", "children": [ "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/WWXHSSXHF4GKGJHO5LIOVRQJB7PTN4PE/" ], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "All,\n\nI apologize for the ignorant, dumbed-down, misguided and non-fully disclosing information I have provided - on this board and off of it - regarding what I have done working the satellites over the past 6 months given the choices I've made about assembling a station.\n\nJim - Did I miss your response to the direct question I asked last night about what the gain figures for the Elk ought to be - or is that question too ignorant to be worthy of an answer?\n\nTim - N3TL\n\n------------- Original message from \"Jim Danehy\" <[email protected]>: -------------- \n\nYes folks can make contacts with Arrow and Elk antennas because it is done every day of the week . . . . that is not the argument here . . . my comments have been made to give full disclosure of the several issues which seemed to be \n> ignored by advocats of one over the other . . . \n> Arrow and Elk are LINEARLY polarized antennas . . . . the 17,000 mph moving satellite is throwing off CIRCULAR polarized RF energy . . . please SUBTRACT 3 db or more of gain from your Elk or Arrow when receiving the satellite's signal . . . some still do not understand this concept and never will . . . \n> ignorance is bliss . . . . \n> For years I grinned ; like I am doing now whenever I saw an 18 wheel trucker with a pair of 3 foot high verticals and a big coil of aluminum tubing at the bottom . . . . probably a good analogy . . . . yes they can make contacts for \n> a little distance just like users of the Arrow and Elk can make contacts . . . . \n> \n> yes \"field tests\" ( anecdotal evidence ) give you some sense of satisfaction . \n> . . . some CB ers enjoy CB operating too . . . ignorance is bliss . . . . \n> .working a buddy across town from his house to yours on 2 mtrs or 435 mhz is one \n> thing because your antennas are not moving . . . . once one of them starts \n> moving quickly ( 17,000 mph ) it all changes . . . I realize that this requires \n> some further reading, studying and understanding . . . .you need to understand \n> the entire story . . . . ignorance is still bliss for far too many . . . \n> \n> up until about 1952 folks used monoband beams . . . . then the triband beams \n> with traps appeared . . . degradation occurs one small step at a time . . . it \n> is progressive too . . . now we have folks doing CW with their computers during \n> contests and they think that they are CW ops . . . . . . note I did not say \n> sending . . . \n> \n> a couple of locals were all in a lather a few years ago when the local DX packet \n> cluster went down . . . what are we going to do . . . I told them it really \n> made no difference to me as I will continue to TUNE the bands for the DX . . . \n> because that is what a DXer does . . . \n> \n> the DUMMYING DOWN of hams is sad . . . of course it depends upon your base of \n> experience . . . . if you do not know any better . . . well ignorance is bliss \n> . . . we do need fuller disclosure to the newbie who asks a question . . . . \n> \n> If somebody says : yes I know all of that but this is my compromise; that is \n> fine . . . but folks are preaching to folks who ask questions : what should I \n> buy ? . . . . there is another option which is being ignored . . . thus my \n> questioning to let the newbie know that these antennas work but there should be \n> a caveat of the compromise . . . without that caveat or understanding they think \n> they are on the Gold Standard . . . ignorance is still bliss . . . in other \n> areas we call it : \n> \n> 1) doing due diligence or 2) informed consent . . . . some folks hand over all \n> their money to somebody else to manage . . .oh yes . .. ignorance turns from \n> being bliss . . .to catastrophic . . . but it goes on and will continue . . . \n> \n> Some folks are selling these antennas like some sell religion . . . with \n> certainty that theirs is the one true one . . .give the newbie the FULL STORY \n> please. . . that has been my goal for several weeks now . . . I have received \n> many nice personal emails thanking me for my comments . . . I am not bashing \n> ARROW or ELK just trying to give a FULL DISCLOSURE which is what should be \n> going on not just blind advocacy for one of these over the other . . . . which \n> is mostly what I have seen with anecdotal comments . . . \n> \n> \n> Jim W9VNE \n> _______________________________________________ \n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. \n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! \n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb \n", "attachments": [] }