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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/ARGN3CYLWIVCBYH6KPTU6FT3MY3LMD4P/", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/", "message_id": "001401c996b4$aad89490$6701a8c0@Uniblab", "message_id_hash": "ARGN3CYLWIVCBYH6KPTU6FT3MY3LMD4P", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/C6ZGHD6I6B3YOGRT3RATWBSZQXZEH3PR/", "sender": { "address": "almetco (a) comcast.net", "mailman_id": "c7a5eb4d66ce4a1c96e6528422335a8a", "emails": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/sender/c7a5eb4d66ce4a1c96e6528422335a8a/emails/" }, "sender_name": "Greg Dober", "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: the tyranny of the military", "date": "2009-02-24T19:18:25Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/HVVA6PDNQVYJCIZOZ4JDQNGNI74I5IIV/", "children": [], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "Nate, Concur, very well said...\n\nGreg\nN3MVF\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On\nBehalf Of Donald Jacob\nSent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:37 PM\nTo: Nate Duehr\nCc: [email protected]\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: the tyranny of the military\n\nNate,\nVery well said. I support your comments 100%. I hope the person that\nyou replied to is able to understand your comments.\n\n73\nDon WB5EKU\n\n\nOn Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Nate Duehr <[email protected]> wrote:\n\n> It's important to maintain civility on these mailing lists, because\ncowards\n> behind keyboards will say anything -- but part of that is to call someone\n> out when they're WAY out of line.\n>\n> Bob's done thousands of volunteer hours of work on things for Amateur\nRadio\n> that weren't even dreamed up before he attempted them, Pat. The Amateur\n> Radio community simply wouldn't have APRS if it weren't for Bob's unique\n> entrepreneurial characteristics.\n>\n> You're WAY out of line with your \"military\" and \"tyranny\" comments and\n> personal attacks on Bob. That is, unless you're going to dedicate the\n> time,\n> resources, and intelligence that he has to the Amateur Radio community\n> WORLDWIDE.\n>\n> Are you prepared to step up and offer useful things at the rate and\n> enthusiasm to the Amateur community as Bob has? If not... \"Step off.\"\n>\n> The space station comment is almost comical -- the Astronauts have strict\n> schedules set by their CIVILIAN program managers, and then choose on their\n> own what to do with the remaining time in their days.\n>\n> The fact that APRS and other Amateur technology are even on board --\n> technology that can be used when the Astronauts are NOT available -- is a\n> testament to Bob's ingenuity and stamina, along with many other Amateurs\n> who\n> worked together to make it happen.\n>\n> Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to fly gear on a manned spacecraft, to\n> get it certified, and to build procedures for its safe use? (Example: The\n> Amateur station must be switched OFF during EVA activity in order to\n> alleviate risks with frequency interference. This makes the Astronauts\n> BUSIER, and that makes coordination more difficult -- don't you think the\n> program manager would rather just say \"shut the thing down permanently\" or\n> have never flown the Amateur station in the first place?)\n>\n> Do you have enough interpersonal skill to work with people in those roles\n> and garner the Amateur community enough resources to put something in\norbit\n> around the planet? Realistically, you probably don't have to answer that\n> question -- since I doubt you do. If you do... \"Step up.\"\n>\n> Your perception of Bob is wickedly twisted, indicating that you have some\n> deep and over-reaching mistrust of quite normal hams who just happen to\n> have\n> military-related jobs. You may want to get some counseling for that. Bob\n> never did anything but good for you, as far as I can see. Meanwhile to\n> soothe your strange phobia, think of Bob as a college professor instead,\nif\n> that helps you lower your outlandish concern level.\n>\n> Attacking him in a public forum (while I'm sure he's seen it all before,\n> well maybe not THIS one... and can defend himself adequately), is an\ninsult\n> to all volunteer hams who build infrastructure for other hams, everywhere.\n>\n> My personal pet-peeve are the IDIOTS who attack volunteers who do good\nwork\n> for Amateur Radio. They're few and far between and I get seriously pissed\n> off at people like you who attack them for no sane reason. Welcome to my\n> gun-sights.\n>\n> I'd rather see you learn and get over your personal problems, but if it's\na\n> choice between you or Bob, the community would be better off with Bob. If\n> you think my reply is harsh, it is MEANT to be. Maybe you'll think before\n> you attack the next volunteer while you whine from your recliner,\n> accomplishing nothing.\n>\n> Celebrate Ability,\n>\n> Nate WY0X\n>\n> -----Original Message-----\n> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On\n> Behalf Of Thomas McGrane\n> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:36 AM\n> To: [email protected]\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] the tyranny of the military\n>\n> Greetings from Patrick N2OEQ\n>\n> Regarding bruninga's post suggesting even more control over the\n> satellite.... Bruninga and the military has too much control over the\n> space program and amsat satellites.\n>\n> Look what happened to the space station, years of military devised\n> packet position reporting and very little \"human\" contact.\n>\n> I recommend you all think for yourselves and remember, this is AMATEUR\n> radio, NOT PROFESSIONAL.\n>\n> Regarding activity on oscar 51, its great to hear the excitment of new\n> operators but very disappointing to hear so many regulars almost every\n> day. Give some new people a chance.\n>\n> Bruninga reminds me of the movie title, \"the world is not enough\"\n>\n> Think for yourselves!\n>\n> pat\n>\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n", "attachments": [] }