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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/ATXYE7VUSVPD56B3LNEHE4O5PIJZ74LW/?format=api", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/?format=api", "message_id": "[email protected]", "message_id_hash": "ATXYE7VUSVPD56B3LNEHE4O5PIJZ74LW", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/HX2TZUE5FEDTUGBD25ZZ6SJSK3JMZ5XS/?format=api", "sender": { "address": "ve9qrp (a) gmail.com", "mailman_id": "4d6061838db34aba9a1c4722addebfaf", "emails": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/sender/4d6061838db34aba9a1c4722addebfaf/emails/?format=api" }, "sender_name": "Bruce Robertson", "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: HEO launch possible???", "date": "2008-12-16T15:33:11Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/HX2TZUE5FEDTUGBD25ZZ6SJSK3JMZ5XS/?format=api", "children": [], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:41 AM, Luc Leblanc <[email protected]> wrote:\n> Hi satellite fans\n>\n> Just came out of a bad dream tonight after reading this Ariane 5 announcement?\n>\n> \"The 186th Ariane mission will launch two communications satellites, primarily\n> intended for direct TV broadcast services and data networks: HOT BIRDTM 9 and W2M,\n> both for Eutelsat.\n>\n> This will be the 42nd Ariane 5 launch.\n>\n> The launcher will be carrying a total payload of 9,220 kg, including 8,340 kg for the\n> two satellites, which will be released separately into their targeted orbits.\"\n>\n> Just note The 9220Kg payload and theses Ariane 5 figures\n>\n> LEO Payload* (28.5 deg., 550 km) GTO Payload* (7 deg. inclination)\n> 39,600 lb 18,000 kg (single / dual manifest) 15,000 lb / 13,160 lb 6,800 kg / 5,970 kg\n>\n>\n> Configuration\n> Core + 2 SRB + Aestus Second Stage\n>\n> Launch Mass\n> 1,570,000 lb\n> 710,000 kg\n>\n> Estimated Launch Price US $120 M\n>\n> * Performance provided by Arianespace.\n>\n> There is room for a 150kg amateur HEO satellite and at an US$169 per kilo a 150Kg mass should cost US $25350!!!\n>\n> I'm not too quick in calculus but how the +_ millions USD P3E and EAGLE launch cost came from? integration work? shipping and handling?\n>\n> I know that at the top of a Ponzi pyramid numbers added very fast but even with the worst case scenario there is something who's not added\n> up correctly here?\n>\n> The killing question is: Is the actual P3E and EAGLE launch issues are really a financial matter? and those very high HEO launch cost\n> estimates are hiding something else?\n>\n>\n> If you want to see where i got theses figures go to:\n>\n> http://www.spaceandtech.com/spacedata/elvs/ariane5_specs.shtml\n\nLuc:\n\nThis is interesting information, as always. In my opinion, your\npresentation of it is marred by the too-rapid accusation of illegal\nactivity. My impression is the contrary: that AMSAT has benefited from\nthe hard work of well-informed and well-placed volunteers, who have\nnonetheless been unable to find a workable price for a HEO launch in\ntoday's market. So perhaps there is another explanation for the\ndiscrepancy you observe.\n\nI remember that the 1-kg cubesat launches cost roughly $40,000, and\nthat this is considered an incredibly low price. This makes me suspect\nthat determining the launch cost by long division only, to derive your\n$25,000, might not be sufficient.\n\nI think it is very important that, as an organization, we do not\nbecome upset with those who attempt to find HEO/GEO opportunities and\nbring back bad news to us. I'll put this more broadly: I think the\nbiggest threat to AMSAT today is not the lack of launch opportunities,\nbut rather the bitterness and consequential unwarranted recriminations\nthat come from our thwarted ambitions.\n\n73, Bruce\nVE9QRP\n", "attachments": [] }