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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/BOFC5KYG6XNY5GVPZ6DPUX5JFOC4HD5Z/?format=api",
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    "sender_name": "Andrew Carter",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: Vanishing Hams",
    "date": "2008-07-16T23:26:13Z",
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    "content": "I usually just lurk on this list, but I will chime in. I am a 22 year- \nold fresh EE graduate going on to grad school, and I really enjoy this  \nhobby, when I can. I absolutely love Field Day; I learn so much from  \nother hams. It can be difficult as a student to have the money, space,  \nand time to get on the air. However, it can be done. It also helps if  \nyour college or high school has a station. I agree that many  \nactivities ham radio currently does are anachronistic, but I find the  \ncore of ham radio is talking to each other; anyone can do it! I just  \nhope I can keep the hobby alive when I am an old guy.\n\nAnd Bob, the first definition amateur is \"A person who engages in an  \nart, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as  \na profession,\" and the third is \"One lacking the skill of a  \nprofessional, as in an art.\"  (http://www.answers.com/amateur&r=67) :)\n\nAndy, W0OOT\n\nOn Jul 16, 2008, at 7:04 PM, dsp engineer wrote:\n\n>\n> Bob,\n>\n> Over the past 43 years as a ham and Electrical Engineer (and  \n> Computer Scientist) I have tried about everything I can think of to  \n> interest kids in ham radio.  My conclusion is that we need to direct  \n> ham radio toward the 40 to 70 year olds who are less interested in  \n> the tech end of it and more interested in the people end of it.\n>\n> I can be counted as one of your \"10% who have tried APRS\".\n>\n> In the 10+ years i have been listening to you champion APRS, I have  \n> yet to find a single use for it.\n> Lets see, here in SoCAL I can get the weather report from a dozen or  \n> so APRS stations in the LA basin.  I  can get a better WX report by  \n> either listening to NOAA on a radio or by logging on to the web.\n> With APRS I can see the position of several dozen ham stations in  \n> the SoCAL  basin - so what?  Of what use is this information?\n> Finally I can use APRS to send text messages - again so what?\n>\n> APRS, like ham radio, is a low tech solution looking for a problem.   \n> Technology passed APRS and Packet radio by 10 years ago.  The cell  \n> phone did the same thing for FM and repeaters.  10 years ago you  \n> could not find a free repeater to talk on in SoCAL at drive time.   \n> Now, you can not find anyone to talk to on a repeater at drive  \n> time.    Hams were among the first to realize that the cell phone  \n> was a heck of a lot faster and more reliable during a road side  \n> emergency verses trying to make an autopatch call .  Thus, the  \n> attraction to getting a license and using a repeater disappeared  \n> just as the reason for Packet radio disappeared.\n> Finally, APRS and its derivatives are fighting a basic problem - the  \n> bandwidth is too low to allow adequate data rates.  56k baud modems  \n> put an end to Packet radio 10 years ago.  Until you employ a scheme  \n> similar to ADSL, you are limited by the bandwidth of a single fm  \n> channel.  There are FM channels set aside for hi speed wide band  \n> comm.  However, your competition, the commercial carriers have you  \n> beat on price, availability, and reliability.  More over, they have  \n> the the cost economies brought about by a tremendous number of users.\n>\n> The kids you are trying to impress with ham radio in general and  \n> APRS in specific just roll their eyes and go back to their iPhones  \n> and PC's.   After all, ham radio is another name for AMATEUR radio.   \n> The world is no longer impressed with amateur solutions to  \n> Telecommunications just as it is no longer impressed with using  \n> horses for basic transportation.\n>\n> Tim AA6DQ\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>> From: [email protected]\n>> To: [email protected]; [email protected]\n>> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:03:21 -0400\n>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Vanishing Hams\n>>\n>>> Today, with CB, Cell Phones, cordless phones, FRS, etc. --\n>>> everyone is a radio operator. Now, military communications\n>>> is done with a keyboard or microphone -- pretty much\n>>> universal  skills now.\n>>\n>> Do not overlook how kids use key-pad text-messaging as the\n>> greatest revolution in communications of all time...  Even some\n>> old-fud adults are learning how to use it..\n>>\n>> Then consider that APRS has had global text-messaging (and\n>> email) via the keypad of the D7 and D700 radios for over 10\n>> years now, yet how many old-fuds ever even considered using it\n>> or introduced this exciting new capability to their kids?\n>>\n>> You can even send text-messages or emails from your HT or Radio\n>> from anywhere on earth via any of the APRS satellites (ISS,\n>> GO-32, PCSAT-1, etc)...  We even suggested that everyone should\n>> learn how to do this and exercise it during\n>> Satellite-Simulated-Emergency-Tests.  You can even use any old\n>> TNC and any old radio to do this.  See:\n>> http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/sset.html\n>>\n>>> Although the Amateur Radio Community shines when\n>>> there is loss  of communications during a disaster,\n>>> with newer technology, even that could  change.\n>>\n>> What is hard in ham radio is \"change\".  We basically have to\n>> wait for some ops to die in order for some new things to be\n>> tried and to take hold...\n>>\n>>> Maybe the ARRL needs to sponsor an award for bringing\n>>> new Hams into the community. Otherwise, someday, no\n>>> one will remember what those letters even  stood for.\n>>\n>> A good start might be to sponsor an award for old fuds that try\n>> something new...\n>> And then show it to a kid... <wink>\n>>\n>> P.S.  Only about 2% of ham radio operators use APRS, and\n>> probably only 10% of them (0.2% of all hams) have tried this\n>> global text messaging (or email) feature.  Yet, even 10 years\n>> ago, and ahead of its time we had it in Ham Radio!\n>>\n>>> From an old fud..\n>> Bob, WB4APR\n>>\n>> _______________________________________________\n>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the  \n>> author.\n>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite  \n>> program!\n>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n> _________________________________________________________________\n> Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger.\n> http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the  \n> author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite  \n> program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n--\nAndrew Daniel Carter\nUniversity of Notre Dame\n\nP.O. Box 37\nNotre Dame, IN 46556\n\nWorldwide: +1 847 815 8600\n\n",
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