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    "sender_name": "Bruce Robertson",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: Radio amateur calling protocol",
    "date": "2008-02-27T12:43:05Z",
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    "content": "On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Bato, Andras <[email protected]> wrote:\n> Gentlemen,\n>\n>  In case we are rally corresponding about radio amateur calling and QSO protocol, Dave WB6LLO is quite right writing:\n>\n>  \"AO7, is what, 25 years old, none of those problems existed there, and\n>  still don't today...\"\n>\n>  Except for the sad fact that some feels it is compulsory to call like \"CQ CQ CQ CQ AO7 satellite this is EE0LL (15 times) is standing by for any possible satellite call.\"\n>\n>  During this time of a long call VO52 flyes across Europe and no QSO will be made at all!\n>\n>  I was planning  to write this list asking everyone to KEEP IT SHORT for the God's sake !!!\n>\n>  I call like \"HA6NN CQ\"\nThese comments aren't directed specifically at Andras, but rather to\nthe general tenor of this thread.\n\nI'm not sure that this list is the best place to discuss egregious\noperating habits on the satellites. It's my impression that most of\nthese are due to newcomers experimenting with setups that have poor\nreception or who are very occasional users of the satellites. But this\nlist isn't, in my experience, well subscribed by those two audiences.\nRecently, someone on the list made a longish document regarding\nsatellite etiquette, and it was picked up by the RSS services. Perhaps\na web or wiki page on these matters would be most effective.\n\nAnother thought: people who are failing to receive their own signals\nor who are making long CQs to tune their setup (which I suspect is\ngoing on in the situation described above) are, in fact, doing that\nwhich the satellites are meant to support: experimentation with space\ncommunication. If this is so, then they represent the future of our\nbranch of the hobby, not merely an annoyance. Our advice should be\ngeared toward improving their experiments and helping them build\nsatellite communication skills; if their tentative steps disrupt our\nregular communication is, to my mind, secondary.\n\nIt always concerns me that newcomers reading a thread like this will\nbe frightened away. It might seem that there are too many ways to be\nbranded a lid in satellite operations, and if people on email are this\njudgemental, it must be brutal on the birds. I'm sure everyone will\nagree that this is not the case: a new callsign, however deaf :-), is\ngreeted with great enthusiasm and everyone tries to support everyone\nelse with technical advice and a kind word. We want you to succeed and\nto learn about the amazing mix of planetary physics and RF that makes\nsatellite operations so engaging.\n\n>  That's all. As somewhere someone told those who had not been experienced in RTTY contests, it is a general habit on that mode!\n>\n>  Than there is no rule to tell QSP-partners even your name every time! Beside this, some tells everything about his equipment, the wx, etc.\n>\n>  THERE IS NO TIME TO DO THAT ON SATELLITES!\n>\n>  Learn the only sensible radioamateur QSO protocol what OH8MBN Mika or UA9CS Igor uses -not to mention K3SZH and some other regulars on AO7.\n>\n>\n>\n>  > Blame those that encouraged and built  AO51...\n>\n>  That was one of the gratest mistake of the history of Amateur Radio.\n>\n>  > Why was it built??\n>\n>  ...that is the question.\n>\n\nAgain, for the benefit of the larger audience, it should be noted that\nthis is of historical interest only. The current AMSAT-NA mission\nstatement involves the production of HEO satellites while supporting\nothers in LEO work, FM or not. There may be those of us, like me, who\nfind AO-51 provided a fine stepping-stone to linear work, but we are\nhappy to have our membership fees and donations support the HEO\nmission. Moreover, the dichotomy between FM and linear LEO is a\nsomewhat false one. VO-52 has shown that a linear transponder can be\nused in FM over part of the world and linear usage over others. Kiwi\nsat and others intend to provide both services in their upcoming\nbirds. I'm grateful to be able to use an FM bird in portable\ncircumstances, since I don't have a full-duplex SSB radio that I can\ncarry around in the forest (now that would be a great homebrew project\n:-)\n\n73, Bruce\nVE9QRP\n",
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