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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/C6BH7CNHAPD7BQNSQ2JEORVOMAHBZ36V/",
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    "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/BE4K2C3YH6ULDIBUD2GZ2TJAMDCKKUXS/",
    "sender": {
        "address": "ke9v (a) sdf.lonestar.org",
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    "sender_name": "Jeff Davis",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)",
    "date": "2009-08-22T19:56:07Z",
    "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/W4UENNCBRGJJXAI7WLDRVEX5TZXZFACD/",
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    "content": "On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:51:19AM -0500, Rocky Jones wrote:\n> \n> because if we do satellites for educational purposes then the effort is non sustainable.\n\nYour logic is flawed in several places here.\n\nFirst of all, you are making the same mistake as many on this BB that\nwhatever choices that we have are somehow \"options\".\n\nGiven the \"option\" we would build several million dollar satellites and\nthen spend $8 million US a piece to get them into a suitable transfer\norbit. Fine. All we need is $25 million US and we can begin that\nconstruction tomorrow...\n\nAnother flaw in your argument is this common thread that somehow it was\nthe sophistication of AO-40 that led to its demise. The notion that such\na thing exists as a \"simple\" HEO satellite needs desperately to be\nexorcised from the thinking of all AMSAT members. \n\nThere ain't no such animal.\n\nIt continues to fall on deaf ears that the entire P3 program consisted\nof P3A (blew up on launch), P3B (malfunction on release even though\nAO-10 gave a lot of people a lot of joy it was not at all a 100%\nsuccess), P3C was nearly perfect except that its life was terminated\nmuch sooner than it should have been due to an orbital miscalculation.\n\nAnd then there was P3D and we all know its story.\n\nFour launches; one success and three not so successful launches. That's\nit. 1-4 is our thirty-year record at HEO.\n\nThe failures were not for lack of trying, effort, or intelligence on our\npart, but rather, indicate what a daunting task it is to build a\nsatellite \"in a garage\" that includes an onboard propulsion system and\nsome sort of attitude control -- along with a communication package that\ndoesn't piss off half the members because it will require them to invest\nanother $200 in a new transverter...\n\nYour point about educational projects being non-sustainable is\nquestionable.\n\nBy encouraging, mentoring, and working with Universities to produce\nCubesat type projects and payloads, we will be exposing amateur radio to\na number of students who are presumably studying for a career in science\nand aerospace. Some of these will go on to become the engineering\nmanagers for the spate of commercial launch companies that will very\nsoon arrive on the scene.\n\nAnd maybe, just maybe, one of them will one day have the opportunity to\nrecommend an amateur radio project for one of those \"spare\" lifts to GTO\nthat you and others think might some day exist and that we need to be\nready to take advantage of...\n\nThe truth is, we have arrived at a place in history where given the\ncircumstances, we very likely will not be returning to HEO anytime soon,\nif ever. We can kick and scream and lay down and die, or we can dust\nourselves off, take what we have and move forward.\n\nOf course its just my opinion, but we've cried in our beer long enough\nand we need to get over it and get moving. Quite frankly, the future for\namateur radio in space for the next twenty-years is at LEO. AMSAT can\nchoose to embrace that and make progress or ignore it and become totally\nirrelevant.\n\nAMSAT can ignore LEO but radio amateurs will not. We will keep playing\nwith whatever assets appear on orbit with or without AMSAT but then\ngiven that scenario, who needs AMSAT?\n\n-- \nJeff, KE9V\nAMSAT-NA\nAMSAT-DL\n\n",
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