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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/CRBVNHSMNGMF5LEABGR5VSSM3L6JNVUR/?format=api", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/?format=api", "message_id": "[email protected]", "message_id_hash": "CRBVNHSMNGMF5LEABGR5VSSM3L6JNVUR", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/NCODDMA6GR7EGG4KQQLHROUDTT565GAZ/?format=api", "sender": { "address": "robert.machale (a) yahoo.com", "mailman_id": "46e6b85af97e4043be040e7aded959ab", "emails": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/sender/46e6b85af97e4043be040e7aded959ab/emails/?format=api" }, "sender_name": "Robert MacHale", "subject": "Re: [amsat-bb] AmSat Ombudsman", "date": "2020-07-16T17:58:04Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/SOPTTXTGGSVCATDITCTJLWQKNHTB5PRQ/?format=api", "children": [], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "I am sorry, forgive me, I was not listening closely to your first response.\nYou were in the middle of justifying my lifetime ban from ariss.net.\n\n>>One of your APRS gateways was rewriting packets received from the ISS packet digipeater,\nadding a tagline promoting the web site for your Space Communicator \nClub.\nYes, those packets were promoting my non-profit Satellite club for Boy Scouts: http://www.spaceCommunicator.club\nLet's stop here. No need to lift a finger. Let's keep the ban - let the legend grow.\nMy life is so vanilla bland. Last year I taught these classes after work:\n1) University of California at Riverside - Software Engineering2) La Paz Middle School after school science club - HAB with APRS Telemetry\nAnd I presented Satellite APRS at 3 local radio clubs in Southern California. This topic of being banned is a great source of self deprecating humor garnishing unlimited laughs. It reminds us we are all human.\nThe longer I am banned - the longer I can tell the story. Win-Win.\nBut - thanks, based on your written response, for validating what was previously unclear - you are the source of the fire - the source of the problem.\nRobert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License. http://www.aprsat.com/predict\n. http://www.spaceCommunicator.club \n. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration\n\nSilly Joke: What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi Cliff! \n\n On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 09:17:17 AM PDT, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB <[email protected]> wrote: \n \n Thanks for you response.\nWhat I hear you saying is that you had no part in disparaging Gordo. And, the assertions from Clint are not true. Is that what you are saying?\nI reached out to Steve Demse about a year after the event. He seems to believe I have earned a lifetime ban from his website. His initial comments gave me the impression that the sky was falling if he did not respond to your criticism of me and the iGate.\nLet's itemize all the complaints:\n1) Rogue Packets2) SpaceCommunicator.club tag3) Packet Counter tag\nWhich one of these complaints justifies a ban? Perhaps a temporary ban while the issues are communicated. Perhaps even a warning. \nKeep in mind - you and I had not met - your eMail address was basically junk mail to me. It was missed by me - my bad - until later review after the fact. I did not notice them for weeks.\n\nOn the other hand Steve Demse and I had been in constant contact for weeks on other topics during this season. Yet - he did not ever reach out to me about these complaints. He claims he did - he did not - and I double searched my Yahoo mail for any trace of eMail from him on this topic. He claims it was sent (apparently to appease you) but it was not.\nThere are only 2 actors in this equation - that I am aware of - you and Steve.\n\nThere is really no reasonable explanation for a ban; much less a ban worthy of a year. The site belongs to Steve and he has no oversight or appeal. He can do whatever he wants.\nIf you are agreeable - perhaps you can reach out to Steve, as an AmSat official, and suggest that a one year ban is more than sufficient - has passed - and should be removed. That seems like a reasonable good faith gesture.\nAs an AmSat official - consider the context - a new community member working on an experiment - no mentoring available - no guidance available - just criticism and banishment. There needs to be a better new member funnel that makes people aware of the community entry points. Less isolation and more community.\n\nCan you explain the story behind Joe Spier, your complaint about someone, your feelings that not enough was done. Did you push Joe out?\n73\nRobert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License. http://www.aprsat.com/predict\n. http://www.spaceCommunicator.club \n. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration\n\nSilly Joke: What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi Cliff! \n\n On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:06:50 AM PDT, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <[email protected]> wrote: \n \n Robert, \n\nThe first part of your e-mail appears to refer to an allegation Clint \nBradford K6LCS recently posted on this mailing list, and on other \nmailing lists and forums. As I said on the QRZ satellite forum \nyesterday, Clint's allegations about me and that web site are false.\n\nIn the few times I have publicly criticized Clint in recent years, I \ndid so with my name attached to what I posted, as I did on the eHam \nsatellite forum in 2016:\n\nhttps://www.eham.net/community/smf/index.php?topic=108627.15\n\nThis exchange led to a letter sent by Clint to AMSAT and me, which \nthreatened AMSAT with legal action. I am not aware of AMSAT taking \nactions in response to his letter, and - based on AMSAT's 2016 IRS tax\nreturn - AMSAT did not spend any monies on legal expenses that year. \n\nAs for the other part of your e-mail, the \"some reason\" packets from\nyour APRS Internet gateway stations no longer appear on the ariss.net \nweb site, you and I had a conversation about that. One of your APRS \ngateways was rewriting packets received from the ISS packet digipeater,\nadding a tagline promoting the web site for your Space Communicator \nClub. The packets containing that tagline were injected into the APRS \nInternet System (APRS-IS), violating policies of that system. Those \npackets also cluttered the listing of packets recently heard from the \nISS on the ariss.net web site. You told me at that time you were \ntesting a function on one of your gateways to put that tagline onto \npackets, something that had been happening over the period of a few \ndays. This included the 20-minute period you mentioned, when one of\nyour gateways continued to send packets to the APRS-IS system after\nthe ISS had moved away from North America. \n\nAs you stated, I contacted Steve Dimse K4HG. Steve owns the ariss.net \nand findu.com web sites, useful for displaying information on APRS \npackets. I asked Steve about the packets from your gateway that were \nshowing up on his ariss.net web site. Steve reminded me of the APRS-IS\npolicies regarding packets being submitted to that system. Other than \nappending the call sign of the gateway that received the packet to the\npacket path, no other modifications are supposed to be made to packets\nsent to the APRS-IS system. I mentioned that to you in a separate \ne-mail, even citing the policies as published on the aprs-is.net web \nsite. I am aware that you and Steve also had an e-mail discussion about\nthis around the same time. \n\nAfter those e-mail exchanges, I heard from you that packets from your\ngateways would not appear on the ariss.net site. This appears to be an\nissue between you and Steve, as Steve maintains the ariss.net web site.\nI have no control over that, and - as far as I know - neither does \nAMSAT. Have you reached out to Steve recently? \n\n73.\n\n\n\n\n\nPatrick Stoddard, WD9EWK/VA7EWK \nhttp://www.wd9ewk.net/\nTwitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK\n\n\n \n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\nto all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed\nare solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? 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