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    "sender_name": "Luc Leblanc",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb]  ITAR vs cooperation? or bull..dozer;)",
    "date": "2009-09-08T07:44:10Z",
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    "content": ">From AMSAT-NA web page who was updated: 23 Aug, 09\n\nexcerpt:\n\nAMSAT Files CJ Requests with US State Department\n\n\"AMSAT's involvement with P3-E halted in 2006 due to concerns over possible ITAR violations.\"\n\n\nDid anyone can explain why is it possible to say \"AMSAT's involvement with P3-E halted in 2006 due to concerns over possible ITAR \nviolations\" when i wrote about the memorandum (see below) on February 22 2007 as this paper has been signed prior to February 2007 in 2006?\n\nEven if  ITAR does not apply to information related to general scientific, mathematical or engineering principles that is commonly taught \nin schools and colleges or information that is (legitimately) in the public domain. Nor does it apply to general marketing information or \nbasic system descriptions. (see below)\n\nHow the cooperation between AMSAT-NA  and AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-UK stopped in 2006 when theses 3 gentlemens                              \nPeter DB2OS  for AMSAT-DL, Rick W2GPS  for AMSAT-NA, Jim G3WGM for AMSAT-UK signed a memorandum of understanding and cooperation the same \nvery year??? They where surely not all out of their mind in 2006 or it is something else?\n\nAnd why asking in January 2009 3 years later for a V'oluntary Disclosure' (Not a VOLUNARY a typo on the AMSAT web page) when most of the \namateur ham stuff is already in the public domain area? It is the same as if you are speeding and you go back to your police station 3 \nyears later telling them you violate the law 3 years ago!!! or is it a way to justify their inaction refusing to get any blame?\n\nWhat it is the most intriguing is the time frame and the fact they relate the cooperation stopping to ITAR in 2006 when they signed a \nmemorandum of understanding and cooperation at the same time? There is something here who does not added up.\n\nCould be it is a way to try hiding their poor management past years record? or something we should ask to Gomez Addams or to his lovely \npale skin and a Gothic appearance wife Morticia Addams? \n\n\nIt is a lot of good questions to be ask at the next AMSAT-NA symposium Board of Directors general meeting in October?\n\n\n\n\nMemorandum of Understanding between\nAMSAT-DL, AMSAT-UK and AMSAT-NA\n\n\nAMSAT-DL for the last five years has been building the P3-E spacecraft to be \nlaunched into a HEO and intended as a replacement for previous P3 satellites. \nIt's purpose is to facilitate communication between radio-amateurs worldwide \nand at the same time to test and verify technologies and procedures needed for \nthe P5-A mission to Mars. AMSAT-DL to this day has invested about 500,000 Euro \ninto this project.\n\n\nAMSAT-NA and AMSAT-UK wish to contribute to the P3-E project, primarily with \nthe goal to have the launch of P3-E as early as possible in order to give to \ntheir respective members the use of the communication services provided by P3-\nE.\n\n\nIt is recognized that the capability of AMSAT-DL to raise funds limits the \nspeed of the development of P3-E. In order to make a launch possible in 2008, \nAMSAT-DL has an immediate need of 40,000 Euro and an estimated need of ~200,000 \n\nEuro prior to the actual launch-date. AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-UK wish to help with \nthe raising of these requirements by providing 30,000 Euro (AMSAT-NA) and \n10,000 Euro (AMSAT-UK) in the near future. Furthermore, they wish to contribute \n\nby raising additional funding as the actual launch arrangements materialize.\n\n\nIn order to achieve an effective cooperation in the funding effort and the \nconstruction and launching of P3-E, the following details to implement the \ncooperation are agreed:\n\n\n   1. The three AMSAT organizations will closely coordinate their activities \nand monitor progress of the project by frequent mutual consultations on the \ntelephone. To this end the three parties will hold nominally a monthly \ntelephone conference to review the status of the project and to identify \nproblem areas. At this time the three organizations will be represented by \nRick, Jim and Peter at these telephone-conferences.\n\n   2. According to need, the three organizations agree to hold sufficiently \nfrequent meetings in person to review the project status. These meetings are \nassumed to be desirable with a frequency of 6-12 month between them.\n\n   3. It is understood by all three organizations that procuring a timely \nlaunch for P3-E is one of the bigger challenges of the project. AMSAT-DL is \nconcentrating major efforts of procuring a launch with Arianespace, while AMSAT-\nNA is trying to develop a launch opportunity within the USA. All parties \nrecognize that major progress in funding is contingent on a firm launch \nagreement. All parties further recognize that a timely construction and \nintegration of P3-E is critically dependent on all parties giving highest \npriority to fulfilling their respective commitments.\n\n   4. All three organizations understand that funding progress is dependent on \neffective information dissemination worldwide. To this end the three \norganizations reiterate their mutual agreement that each organization can \npublish all P3-E related publications of the other two organizations in their \nrespective public organs without special permission. Furthermore, each \norganization is free to prepare 'official' statements about the project, but \nthese publications must be agreed with the project management of P3-E (AMSAT- \nDL) prior to publication. Requests for agreement to publish will be sent to \nPeter (or another person chosen by him), who will use best efforts to respond \nwithin 7 days with an answer. With other publications by individual authors no \nsuch agreement is necessary provided that the context makes it is clear that \nthe publication is not an official declaration by the project management or \nAMSAT-DL.\n\n   5. AMSAT-DL reiterates that the operational use of P3-E will be primarily to \nprovide amateur radio communication services. But all parties also understand \nthat the spacecraft is a dual service satellite, and that AMSAT-DL retains the \nright to occasionally reduce the provision of amateur radio services if work \ntowards P5-A requires this. A-DL will use due diligence to minimize the impact \nof the P5-A requirements on the provision of amateur services.\n\n\nFor AMSAT-DL                For AMSAT-NA                For AMSAT-UK\n\nPeter DB2OS                 Rick W2GPS J                 Jim G3WGM\n_________________________________________________________________________________\n\nJust check here for the proof\nhttp://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/200702/msg00394.html\n\n_________________________________________________________________________________\n\nThe ITAR public domain exclusions\n\n§ 120.11 Public domain.\n(a) Public domain means information\nwhich is published and which is generally\naccessible or available to the\npublic:\n(1) Through sales at newsstands and\nbookstores;\n(2) Through subscriptions which are\navailable without restriction to any individual\nwho desires to obtain or purchase\nthe published information;\n(3) Through second class mailing\nprivileges granted by the U.S. Government;\n(4) At libraries open to the public or\nfrom which the public can obtain documents;\n(5) Through patents available at any\npatent office;\n(6) Through unlimited distribution at\na conference, meeting, seminar, trade\nshow or exhibition, generally accessible\nto the public, in the United\nStates;\n(7) Through public release (i.e., unlimited\ndistribution) in any form (e.g.,\nnot necessarily in published form) after\napproval by the cognizant U.S. government\ndepartment or agency (see also\n§ 125.4(b)(13) of this subchapter);\n(8) Through fundamental research in\nscience and engineering at accredited\ninstitutions of higher learning in the\nU.S. where the resulting information is\nordinarily published and shared broadly\nin the scientific community. Fundamental\nresearch is defined to mean\nbasic and applied research in science\nand engineering where the resulting information\nis ordinarily published and\nshared broadly within the scientific\ncommunity, as distinguished from research\nthe results of which are restricted\nfor proprietary reasons or specific\nU.S. Government access and dissemination\ncontrols. University research\nwill not be considered fundamental\nresearch if:\n(i) The University or its researchers\naccept other restrictions on publication\nof scientific and technical information\nresulting from the project or\nactivity, or\n(ii) The research is funded by the\nU.S. Government and specific access\nand dissemination controls protecting\ninformation resulting from the research\nare applicable.\n(b) [Reserved]\n\n\nPS. Did any one ever heard of any report about the memorandum and the way it works since 2006?\n\n\"-\"\n\n\nLuc Leblanc VE2DWE\nSkype VE2DWE\nwww.qsl.net/ve2dwe\nDSTAR urcall VE2DWE\nWAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE\n\n \n\n",
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