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    "sender_name": "Jack/W6NF",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: [VHF] Re:  Re: VUCC costs",
    "date": "2011-01-25T02:10:05Z",
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    "content": "Yes, I agree with Tim wholeheartedly.\n\nPaper cards are nice (I have a few from my Novice days in 1957) but I, like\nmany others, cannot afford the expense. I *do* QSL 100% when a card is sent\nto me but LoTW is fine, too. To summarily reject LoTW, to invoke Mr. Spock,\nnot logical ;>)\n\nBTW, I use N1MM logger for all contests and ACLog for everything\nelse...painless, easy and I can use the logging program on CW to cover for\nmy rotten fist :>)\n\n73,\n\nOn Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Tim Marek <[email protected]> wrote:\n\n> John and the rest of you LOTW doubters...\n>\n> The costs to use LOTW for VUCC, DXCC, or WAS contact credits IS NOTHING\n> compared to the time, effort and money needed to collect cards the old\n> fashioned way!  At near a buck a card domestically (Over 2$ Internationally)\n> for the stamps to send them and as well as a SASE for their return.... all\n> the waiting.... Lost or stolen mail, People who NEVER reply, followed by\n> dealing with the cards after their collected, the hand sorting and filling\n> in paper forms... what a royal pain and more importantly... a very\n> inneficient way to do things...\n>\n> With the new LOTW system, you simply upload your logs, wait for them to\n> cross confirm with other uploaded logs, spend less than 20 cents per QSO to\n> INSTANTLY use those QSL credits for awards, with little muss or fuss...\n>\n> I really dont see what the problems is.... Its faster, safer, cheaper, and\n> your log data is backed up forever.... Talk about a lasting legacy of your\n> efforts!\n>\n> Compared to the OLD FASHIONED way of handling the laborious chore of\n> QSLing, LOTW is a God send saving me much time, money, and alot of hand\n> writing that I truly hate. (Try living in a rare state and you will\n> understand)\n>\n> As one who has personally activated 57 grids at one time or another (Alot\n> of them RARE), there is now a incentive to sort out and upload all those\n> logs from the past 20 years. Not only will it help others who need those\n> rare grids (CM86, CM95, CM96, CN90, CN91, CN92, DN00, DN10, DN11, DN20,\n> DM07, DM17, DM18, DM19, DM27, DM28, and DM29 just to name a few) but... I\n> can now file for additional 6M VUCC's from several of those grids as they\n> were June Contest efforts from tall mountains with large antennas and KW\n> power where more than 100 Grids was easily accomplished...\n>\n> Think about it... \"Nothing Is Free\"... the prices they ask are reasonable,\n> and once uploaded who better to back up your logs than those whom you apply\n> to for the awards!\n>\n> Personally, I dont understant why everyone isn't getting setup right now to\n> dump their logs online to (at the very least protect those rare and precious\n> contacts from being lost forever) and collect those contact credits w/o\n> lifting a pen to paper or licking a single stamp...\n>\n> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09nm.... sk\n>\n> PS: I have been pushing LOTW for years to make this happen. Its not\n> perfect, but compared to the old ways, its a VAST IMPROVEMENT!\n>\n> ----- Original Message ----- From: \"John Geiger\" <[email protected]>\n> To: <[email protected]>; \"Amsat-Bb@Amsat. Org\" <[email protected]>;\n> \"'VHF REFLECTOR'\" <[email protected]>\n> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:07 PM\n> Subject: [VHF] Re: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs\n>\n>\n>\n>  I WAS going to get an endorsement for my satellite and six meter VUCCs,\n>> but given that it would cost me around 35 dollars each to get an endorsement\n>> for an extra 150 grids, I don't think so. Hope this new insane fee schedule\n>> doesn't kill VUCC submissions.  I think AMSAT awards will be getting much\n>> more popular. 73s John AA5JG\n>>\n>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]>\n>> To: <[email protected]>\n>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:25 PM\n>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs\n>>\n>>> Nice explanation of the costs for VUCC in the Jeff Yanko blog. However, I\n>>> did not see what happens with LOTW submisions.\n>>> If the cost of awards keep going up, maybe the ARRL should offer award\n>>> insurance as well as equipment insurance.  Just a thought.  :>)\n>>> Merle, AA4QE\n>>>\n>> ------\n> Submissions:                    [email protected]\n> Subscription/removal requests:  [email protected]\n> Human list administrator:       [email protected]\n> List rules and information:     http://www-w6yx.stanford.edu/vhf/\n>\n\n\n\n-- \nJack, W6NF\nSilver Springs, NV\nDM09ji\n\nPaper, LoTW and eQSL\n",
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