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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/E33N3J7G7WMOK7MSD3D33BADKEOBZ4H7/?format=api", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/?format=api", "message_id": "01861AE53C4845BA98E11C9F542B6DE7@KC6UQH", "message_id_hash": "E33N3J7G7WMOK7MSD3D33BADKEOBZ4H7", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/2VKN5TJQDF65BJQRAF5C3UPHC22X5WTO/?format=api", "sender": { "address": "kc6uqh (a) cox.net", "mailman_id": "d9201820d18047e4a2772c86bda5e111", "emails": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/sender/d9201820d18047e4a2772c86bda5e111/emails/?format=api" }, "sender_name": "Art McBride", "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)", "date": "2009-08-25T05:13:08Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/6T6NTE7XCCZKXHIWCAKLY2UKT5UGE3LL/?format=api", "children": [], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "Either we make history, or we complain about it. The choice is ours! \nThis thread is dead!\n\nArt KC6UQH \n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On\nBehalf Of John P. Toscano\nSent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:57 PM\nTo: Amsat BB\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)\n\nRocky Jones wrote:\n\n> As for AO-40. It failed for the same reason that suitsat 1 did, and for\nthe same reason that a lot of people who build their own airplane kill\nthemselves every year trying to \"test fly it\"....the project got to big for\nthe organization that was building it...ie their technical competence was\ninsufficient for the task at hand.\n> \n> But in your view (at least as best as I understand it) that evaluation\nshould not be made because \"at least they tried\".\n> \n> sorry I dont buy that logic\n> \n> Robert WB5MZO\n\nI'm not quite sure who is quoting whom, i.e. if the quote above is by \nRocky, who sent the email, or Dan, who is mentioned above the quotation \nthat I excerpted, or by Robert, who seems to have signed it.\n\nIn any case, irrespective of who wrote it, the gist of it is getting \nunder my skin...\n\n\"As for AO-40. It failed...\" (because) \"...the project got to (sic) big \nfor the organization that was building it...ie (sic) their technical \ncompetence was insufficient for the task at hand\"\n\nSpelling and grammar aside (or maybe small details REALLY ARE important? \n-- just a random thought), it is hard to disagree logically with the \nfundamental principle. In less inflammatory terms, a bunch of amateurs \nwho were not really rocket scientists tried to build a satellite, and \nthey weren't able to pull it off 100% successfully because they tried to \ndo more than they were qualified to do.\n\nNevertheless, does this mean that we should:\n a) never try to do something harder than what we KNOW in advance that\n we are capable of accomplishing?\n\n b) never make mistakes, even though the only way to guarantee that\n you will never do anything WRONG is by DOING NOTHING AT ALL?\n\n c) LEARN from our mistakes and try again?\n\nPersonally, I vote for number 3. Note that choice #3 doesn't say \"keep \nrepeating our mistakes\", it says \"LEARN from them\" and implies that when \nwe try again, we do so in a manner wherein we are better prepared than \nwe were the time before.\n\nOK. I am mad as hell that someone failed to notice the bright red (or \nwas it yellow) flag attached to a port cap that clearly said \"REMOVE \nBEFORE FLIGHT\", and caused the AO-40 propulsion system to self-destruct \nwhen activated. But dang it all, people should stop carping about the \nnumber, complexity, and even frequencies of the transponders that were \nplaced aboard AO-40, because NONE of that had ANYTHING to do with the \nreason it failed. In fact, as I've said before, and has fallen on deaf \nears before (or maybe it's on blind eyes), the COMPLEXITY of AO-40 is \nwhat SAVED it at all, made it usable at all, for the short time we had \nher around to enjoy. One transponder is blown up, switch over to a \ndifferent one. Etc.\n\nCall the AMSAT builders \"incompetent\" as many times as you want, it does \nnot change one ugly fact. If you want a high earth orbit satellite (and \nI most certainly DO), IT MUST BE A COMPLEX DEVICE. ROCKET PROPULSION \nSYSTEMS ARE COMPLEX, BEST UNDERSTOOD BY ROCKET SCIENTISTS, AND YOU WILL \nNEVER GET TO H.E.O. WITHOUT ONE.\n\nSo, either stop whining that you want an H.E.O. satellite, or stop \nwhining about wanting a satellite that is not complex. We either get the \ntraining/education/experience that allows us to \"get it right\", or we \nabandon the task and take up knitting. Or we keep stumbling around in \nthe dark making lots of expensive mistakes. But as Scottie told Captain \nKirk, \"I'm sorry captain! I canna change the laws of physics!\" A \nsatellite in high earth orbit is a complex device.\n\nAnd talk about having their heads inserted into their anal orifices, we \nhave people saying, in essence, \"you people are too stupid to make a \ncomplex high-earth-orbit satellite work\", and at the same time, \"you \npeople are foolish to invest any energy into educating students about \nsatellite technology\", or even worse, \"you are foolish to try to take \nstudents who are already interested in satellite technology and get them \nexcited about the possibility of using that technology for \nnon-commercial (i.e., AMATEUR) radio communications\". Give me a break. \nMaybe one of those folks, a REAL rocket scientist, will someday be the \nperson who leads us amateurs to success.\n\nIt all boils down to this. There is a nearly infinite number of \nnon-productive choices that do not further the cause of progress. There \nare three fundamental choices that DO lead to progress:\n 1) LEAD\n 2) FOLLOW\n 3) GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY AND LET SOMEONE ELSE DO IT\n\n73 de WØJT\n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature\ndatabase 4364 (20090824) __________\n\nThe message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.\n\nhttp://www.eset.com\n\n\n \n\n__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature\ndatabase 4364 (20090824) __________\n\nThe message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.\n\nhttp://www.eset.com\n \n\n\n", "attachments": [] }