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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/EQ7QOZDSFTVWO62W7QPQHRX6FVDBEXGR/", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/", "message_id": "!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAMFjQ/i+uNdKljdK9KccuLPCgAAAEAAAAEfSYha1BPFAmJGKzw1M2fcBAAAAAA==@messano.net", "message_id_hash": "EQ7QOZDSFTVWO62W7QPQHRX6FVDBEXGR", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/2Y6CZ62SYDFJAHIA5OA4JVPZSZAEMHZK/", "sender": { "address": "danny (a) messano.net", "mailman_id": "385c582ca7f6412cab5ca4404aa5a9dd", "emails": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/sender/385c582ca7f6412cab5ca4404aa5a9dd/emails/" }, "sender_name": "Danny Messano", "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: ISS Not A Satellite WAS: Satellites and the LoTW", "date": "2007-01-26T20:11:52Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/EN5AWYW2TFCSRCQ43UDY3N3XEQ7D6INQ/", "children": [ "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/CKOWDPXBPKSSGOYSYNW4M5LOL3OXJTRH/" ], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "Things like this only help to minimize the enjoyment of the hobby.\n\nI enjoy the heck out of packet. I never had more fun than trying to bang\npackets through Mir near the end of her life. I also used to enjoy\nmonitoring a few of the other sats (UO-11, DOVE, AO-16) years ago. The\nrare couple times I heard Shuttle voice contacts made we want to improve my\nstation a bit, but I became inactive and that never happened.\n\nThe thought of getting on ISS for either the repeater or packet is exciting.\nI've got enough hardware now to run APRS and have a second radio/TNC for\nISS, and all that's missing from my 1995 setup is the Commodore 64! I'm\nenjoying assembling what's needed, much like anyone else has assembled a\nstation (dish, modems, SSB rigs, etc) for whatever bird(s) they were wanting\nto work, albeit a bit more plug and play.\n\nSo in the middle of this excitement, I flip around the web a bit, and see\nwhere some \"higher powers\" want to tell that my voice contacts are really\nnot worthy of counting as satellite contacts, because the station on that\nend is up there, and I am down here.. more like simplex from ground to\ntower. Ok, well, that's fine.. I can see that.. And sorta agree.\n\nThese same \"high powers\" want to tell me that although my packet/repeater\ncontacts will be with other stations on the ground, much like any other\nsatellite, because we've already decided ISS contacts are not satellite\ncontacts, what we are doing is not worthy of being counted as a satellite\ncontact. \n\nWow, that sure makes me feel like I've done nothing more than talk to a\nstation 100 feet away on an FRS radio. Why bother? What we're doing really\ndoesn't count, does it? \n\nOk, I am not really that naive or uninformed, but certainly those same\nthoughts are present. If you're going to imply what I am doing is no harder\nthan chatting with my sister on IM or my girlfriend on the cell phone, I\nthink I'll go do that and buy a new laptop with my ham radio money.\n\nJust my $.02\n\nDanny Messano\nKE4RAP\n\n\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On\nBehalf Of Eric Christensen\nSent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:34 PM\nTo: Roger Kolakowski\nCc: [email protected]\nSubject: [amsat-bb] ISS Not A Satellite WAS: Satellites and the LoTW\n\nRoger,\nI believe there is a misconception here. Whatever your opinion about the\nISS, I believe the AMSAT Board has felt made a distinction.\n\nWhen talking to the astronauts on the ISS you aren't making a satellite\ncontact. It is a LOS (line of sight) contact. When you make a contact with\nsomeone else on the ground VIA the ISS then it is a satellite contact.\n\nI am trying to get the ARRL to recognize the ISS as a satellite when\ncontacts are made VIA their gear not when you make a contact with the ISS.\n\nEric KF4OTN\n\n\nRoger Kolakowski wrote:\n> Eric discovered...\n> \n> \"...and apparently the ISS is not a satellite.\"\n> \n> Hi Eric...\n> \n> AMSAT has never considered ISS as a satellite and has always \n> maintained the SAREX Board and discouraged crossposting so that no-one \n> gets confused and thinks that it has satellite \"status.\"\n> \n> This has made for some interesting situations' including the release \n> of\n> Suitsat-1 which was SAREX news until it was released and then it \n> became AMSAT-BB news. Another example is PCSAT-2, which never left \n> ISS, and was not considered a satellite.\n> \n> Perhaps ARRL is just taking the lead of AMSAT in LoTW.\n> \n> In reality, packet should have nothing to do with it and should be \n> accepted as a mode, perhaps titled \"Digital\" to cover many of the \n> alternative modes now available through software.\n> \n> Seems silly and sounds like a turf war, but there it is...\n> \n> Roger\n> WA1KAT\n> \n> ----- Original Message -----\n> From: \"Eric Christensen\" <[email protected]>\n> To: <[email protected]>\n> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:08 PM\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellites and the LoTW\n> \n> \n>> If you read my posts a few weeks ago about the ACLog and LoTW not \n>> being satellite friendly and you wanted to know more, read on.\n>>\n>> I've been working with Kathy Allison, KA1RWY, who is the ARRL Contest \n>> Assistant & LoTW Specialist. My biggest concern was that LoTW didn't \n>> support all the satellites. One of my contacts can't be put into the \n>> system because my conversation with AJ, AJ3U, was via the ISS using \n>> packet and apparently the ISS is not a satellite.\n>>\n>> The response I received from the ARRL on this was \"At this time LoTW \n>> won't accept ISS as satellite. From what I was told, you have to put \n>> phone or CW and it will accept it.\" which I got from Kathy. That \n>> doesn't fly with me. I have asked her to contact the sysadmin for \n>> LoTW and that if the admin needs any help with squaring away the \n>> satellite portion of the system to please contact me and I'll be \n>> happy to help get all the satellites straight in the system. I'm \n>> still waiting to hear back from them.\n>>\n>> After LoTW is straight, I hope to work with the creators of ACLog to \n>> make that log more satellite friendly.\n>>\n>> Now, does anyone want to help me take an ACLog and turn it into a SQL \n>> file???\n>>\n>> 73s,\n>> Eric KF4OTN\n>> AMSAT Member 35360\n>> AMSAT Area Coordinator\n>>\n>> Please donate to the Eagle project!\n>> http://www.amsat-na.com/donation.php?donate=eagle\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>> _______________________________________________\n>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\nprogram!\n>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>>\n> \n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n", "attachments": [] }