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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/F5KV2ZTEIHPMVOWUIJXO7EULPM2ZNGCD/?format=api",
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        "address": "gabrielzeifman (a) gmail.com",
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    "sender_name": "Gabriel Zeifman",
    "subject": "Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots",
    "date": "2018-07-18T14:53:51Z",
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    "content": "Does AMSAT maintain a printing press and envelope factory to produce the\ncurrent mailings? I think the solution is called \"contracting\" and I am\naware that there are companies that offer such services at a reasonable\ncost.\n\n73,\nGabe\nAL6D/VE6NJH\n\nOn Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 4:53 AM E.Mike McCardel <[email protected]> wrote:\n\n> What would the upfront cost of setting up electronic voting? It seems to\n> me that it would be analogous to Solar electricity. Higher end, up front\n> cost verses “free” power down the road.\n> If you are advocating the change are you willing to invest your own time\n> energy and perhaps $$$ to reduce the cost to AMSAT? After all can a cash\n> strapped organization afford $10k or higher solution right now, even for\n> lower cost in the future?\n> Regardless this will not be an overnight solution. Like building a\n> satellite it will require planning and deadlines and engineering, both\n> software and social.\n> I personally like the idea on online voting. I also like the idea of\n> electronic delivery of the Journal, but we have found even that is a bit\n> more complicated and costly than one might think.\n>\n> 73\n> EMike\n>\n>\n> EMike McCardel, AA8EM\n> Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service\n> Sent from my iPhone\n>\n> > On Jul 18, 2018, at 1:11 AM, Devin L. Ganger <[email protected]> wrote:\n> >\n> > Concur with AF6EP. Doing electronic ballots is inexpensive. Doing them\n> *correctly* is not.\n> >\n> >\n> > --\n> > Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)\n> > email: [email protected]\n> > web: Devin on Earth\n> > cell: +1 425.239.2575\n> >\n> >> -----Original Message-----\n> >> From: AMSAT-BB <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Eric Fort\n> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 9:55 PM\n> >> To: Mike Diehl <[email protected]>\n> >> Cc: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <[email protected]>; AMSAT Mailing List\n> >> <[email protected]>; Gabriel Zeifman <[email protected]>\n> >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots\n> >>\n> >> The basic problem with electronic voting is proving who is behind the\n> >> keyboard and tracing the data with integrity such that each voter only\n> casts\n> >> one ballot. With paper ballots this is possible. What is done is the\n> paper ballot\n> >> is placed in an envelope that is signed by the voter. The signature and\n> >> registration info can then be compared on receipt, verifying that one\n> and\n> >> only one ballot was cast by that specific voter. The ballot is then\n> separated\n> >> from the envelope to be counted assuring the anonymity of the voter. In\n> the\n> >> digital realm one can not have anonymity, traceability, and verifiablity\n> >> simultaneously. These are mathematically proven therems and entire\n> papers\n> >> and PhD thesis’s have been written on this topic proving this exact\n> thing. Do\n> >> the research.  Paper verified ballots really are the only way.\n> >>\n> >> Eric\n> >> Af6ep\n> >>\n> >> Sent using SMTP.\n> >>\n> >>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Mike Diehl <[email protected]>\n> wrote:\n> >>>\n> >>> Disagree. There are online services that are just as, if not more,\n> secure as\n> >> your medical information or where you spend your money. Going to print\n> >> with anything takes a lot more work than simply providing some options\n> to a\n> >> voting service. Then there’s postage. Online is also more convenient,\n> you can\n> >> pretty much do it anytime, anywhere you want. Think of it like LOTW for\n> >> QSLs, saves a ton in paper, postage and trips to the post.\n> >>>\n> >>> Last but not least is I don’t see a real threat of people “hacking” the\n> >> elections for jobs that don’t pay and are full of criticism.\n> >>>\n> >>> 73,\n> >>> Mike Diehl\n> >>> W8LID\n> >>>\n> >>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 19:44, Eric Fort <\n> [email protected]>\n> >> wrote:\n> >>>>\n> >>>> Let’s not get into electronic voting. Too much opportunity to “hack\n> the\n> >> vote”.   It’s unfortunate that an error was made and not caught prior to\n> >> printing and mailing but electronic voting is not the answer.\n> >>>>\n> >>>> Eric\n> >>>> Af6ep\n> >>>>\n> >>>> Sent using SMTP.\n> >>>>\n> >>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Gabriel Zeifman\n> >> <[email protected]> wrote:\n> >>>>>\n> >>>>> How unfortunate that our cash strapped, technology oriented\n> >>>>> organization is having to waste so much money to print and mail two\n> >>>>> sets of paper ballots to each and every member. Seems to me that\n> >>>>> electronic voting would save the organization money, make voting\n> >>>>> more secure and efficient, prevent mishaps such as this, and prevent\n> >>>>> some members from not receiving ballots like last year.\n> >>>>>\n> >>>>> 73,\n> >>>>> Gabe\n> >>>>> AL6D/VE6NJH\n> >>>>>\n> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 2:33 PM Clayton Coleman W5PFG\n> >> <[email protected]> wrote:\n> >>>>>>\n> >>>>>> Due to a printing error, the beige-colored ballots mailed to\n> >>>>>> AMSAT-NA members for the 2018 Board of Directors election on July\n> >>>>>> 15, 2018 have been declared void. Any of these voided ballots\n> >>>>>> received at the AMSAT-NA office will not be counted.\n> >>>>>>\n> >>>>>> New ballots, labeled “CORRECTED BALLOT 7/20/2018” and printed on\n> >>>>>> yellow-colored cardstock will be mailed to all AMSAT-NA members.\n> >>>>>>\n> >>>>>> Please vote for no more than three of the 2018 candidates:\n> >>>>>> Tom Clark, K3IO\n> >>>>>> Mark Hammond, N8MH\n> >>>>>> Scott Harvey, KA7FVV\n> >>>>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO\n> >>>>>> Peter Portanova, W2JV\n> >>>>>>\n> >>>>>> The Directors positions will go to the three candidates receiving\n> >>>>>> the highest number of votes. In addition, there will be two\n> >>>>>> alternate members chosen, based on the next highest number of\n> >> votes received.\n> >>>>>>\n> >>>>>> 73,\n> >>>>>> Clayton\n> >>>>>> W5PFG\n> >>>>>> AMSAT-NA Corporate Secretary\n> >>>>>> _______________________________________________\n> >>>>>> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum\n> >>>>>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring\n> >>>>>> membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and\n> >>>>>> do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.\n> >>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> >> program!\n> >>>>>> Subscription settings:\n> >>>>>> http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> >>>>>>\n> >>>>> _______________________________________________\n> >>>>> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum\n> >>>>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring\n> >>>>> membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do\n> >> not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.\n> >>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> >> program!\n> >>>>> Subscription settings:\n> >>>>> http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> >>>>\n> >>>> _______________________________________________\n> >>>> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum\n> >> available\n> >>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.\n> >>>> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect\n> the\n> >> official views of AMSAT-NA.\n> >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> >> program!\n> >>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> >>\n> >> _______________________________________________\n> >> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\n> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.\n> Opinions\n> >> expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the\n> official views\n> >> of AMSAT-NA.\n> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> >> program!\n> >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> > _______________________________________________\n> > Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\n> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.\n> Opinions expressed\n> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of\n> AMSAT-NA.\n> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> program!\n> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n",
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