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    "sender_name": "Andy Kellner",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Satire",
    "date": "2011-11-30T01:46:55Z",
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    "content": "Hmm, unlikely I would say:\n\nA typical WX ballon goes up to about 30 km, maybe 50 km if you get a high performance one. The AO-51 orbit is at about 750 km.\nI witnessed the X2 (Spaceship one) launch in 2004. The rocket for the orbiter fired at about 15 km (from the carrier plane)  and burned for 90 seconds just to reach 100 km.\nThis is *a lot* of energy which needs to be invested into the object. Now we are talking 750 km, not 100, and then you still need to do a controlled orbit injection burn. I admin, we are talking 10 kg payload, not 200 kg, but doing this with a single stage booster launched from an unstable wx balloon would be quite a challenge IMHO.\n\nNot sure if that already happened, but did somebody ever talk to the Europeans ? The ariane V is the most powerful, most reliable launch vehicle today. They launch commercial satellites more or less once a month. I wonder if they would donate a <10 kg payload every once in a while ? \n\nAndreas\n\n\n\n\n\n________________________________\n From: Lowell White <[email protected]>\nTo: Bob- W7LRD <[email protected]>; George Henry <[email protected]> \nCc: AMSAT <[email protected]> \nSent: Wednesday, 30 November 2011 10:57 AM\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Satire\n \nOK.. a LARGE \"punkin' chunker\" or two really tall and flexible trees for a\nslingshot...\n\nMore seriously, it seems that for anything of reasonable size to be launched,\nparticularly into an orbit that we rapidly enter not only the perview of\ncostly specialization but also of military / government permissions, etc.,\nprobably  much more delicate than ITAR considerations. \n\nPlease enlighten me if indeed there might be a way to get something up (and to\nstay up) more economically.\n\nWould there be any feasiblity to an initial \"launch\" by using high-altitude\nweather ballons and THEN firing a small booster with appropriate guidance and\nCCC (command, control, and communications) to steer it into an orbital\ninsertion? If the bird and booster weights were small enough, could a wx\nballoon lift them adequately?\n\nJust wondering...\n\nLowell\nK9LDW\nEM12sr\n\n------ Original Message ------\nReceived: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 04:38:33 PM CST\nFrom: Bob- W7LRD <[email protected]>\nTo: George Henry <[email protected]>Cc: AMSAT <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Satire\n\n> \n> \n> Cool George! it's not the building and concepts that's difficult.  It's\ngetting the damn things up there.  We should have a division of AMSAT that\ndoes rockets, and launch our own.  Like my Dad told me, \"the difficult we do\nimmediately, the impossible takes a little longer\". \n> \n> 73 Bob W7LRD \n> \n> \n> ----- Original Message -----\n> From: \"George Henry\" <[email protected]> \n> To: \"AMSAT\" <[email protected]> \n> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:06:39 AM \n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Satire \n> \n> Better yet, take the 10.8 MHz IF output from one of their old Bearcat\nscanners, \n> \n> programmed for a 2-meter uplink, add an appropriate local oscillator and\n high \n> pass filter, feed the resulting signal to the final stage from one of\n their old \n> \n> sideband CB's, and you've got a mode A *LINEAR*  satellite!! \n> \n> We could call it OSCAR 10-4! \n> \n> \n> George,  KA3HSW \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> > ----- Original Message ---- \n> > > From: K4FEG <[email protected]> \n> > > To: [email protected] \n> > > Sent: Tue,  November 29, 2011 8:49:31 AM \n> > > Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite  Satire \n> > > \n> > > OK I have a suggestion: a new inexpensive satellite, It  will be\ndesignated:   \n> > \n> > >*ReNe-Sat-3, *that will be an abbreviation  for: *Red Neck Satellite #3\n( \n> >Dale   \n> > \n> > >Ernharts Sr. NASCAR #). \n> > > \n> > > *We will take 2 Woxun HT's, 2 Larsen Mag-mounts,  2**1/4 wave\n antennas, a \n> >solar \n> > \n> > >panel with charger from Northern Hydraulics and   last but not least\nabout 100 \n> > \n> > >feet of NASCAR 200mph duct tape. \n> > > \n> > > We take the  2 radios set them up for our frequencies, duct tape  them\n\n> >together \n> > \n> > >mount the  antennas on the solar panel hook the solar  panel up to the\nHT \n> > >batteries and last  but not least we send two of  the south's finest: \n> >*Astronaut \n> > \n> > >\"Bubba &  Cooter\"* up with the  new bird to deploy it. We will tell\nBubba & \n> > >Cooter that  they  can have free passes to all the NASCAR races for\n2012 when \n> \n> > >they get  this  satellite working and in orbit. \n> > > \n> > > I promise they will  have that thing  (or  should i say \"thang\") up\nand \n> >running \n> > \n> > >in  HEO and be back before the  first race in February 2012. \n> > > \n> > >  For those that are not sure, YES I AM MAKING  A JOKE! \n> > > \n> > > /*It  is difficult work to keep these satellites working and the\n control \n> > >operators deserve a round of applause from us for all that they  have\n done to \n> > \n> > >extend the life of AO51 and all of the other  birds. \n> > > \n> > > THANK YOU ONE  AND ALL! A JOB WELL   DONE! \n> > > */ \n> > > Frank \n> > > K4FEG \n> > \n> _______________________________________________ \n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. \n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! \n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb \n> \n> \n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n",
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