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    "sender_name": "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's (Howard Kowall) (Ben\tJackson)",
    "date": "2009-06-11T00:21:04Z",
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    "content": "Hi Clint!\n\n> The original post described a commercial HT ... operating WAY OUT of\n> the 2M and 440 amateur bands. For marketing and sales within the\n> United States, FCC certification is required.\n>\n> Do people purchase non-FCC-certified commercial rigs and use them on\n> the amateur bands? Yes.\n>\n> Is it legal to do so? No.\n\nThe problem with this whole line of messages is that two completely separate\nissues are being thrown together - the purchase and use of the non-FCC-\ncertified radios by hams on the ham bands.  I am not a lawyer.  Here goes...\n\nFirst of all, FCC requires certification for ham gear in two instances:\n\n1. Amplifiers for bands below 144 MHz. (see 97.315 and 97.317 of the\nFCC rules, http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/ )\n2. Ham receivers or transceivers that cover outside ham bands above\n30 MHz (receivers outside ham bands are covered by FCC Part 15;\ntransmitters outside the ham bands would be covered by another part\nor part of the FCC rules depending on the frequencies covered).\n\nTake a look at this web site:\n\nhttp://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/fccid/\n\nThis lets you search the FCC Equipment Authorization Database.  Take\nthe FCC ID number off your radio, cell phone, or anything else that might\nhave that number, and you get access to information about that item.\nThere is the grant of certification, sometimes there is other information like\ntest reports, copies of manuals, photos (internal and/or external), and other\nitems submitted by the manufacturer or importer/distributor as part of the\nprocess.\n\nIf you have a dual-band HT or mobile, put that ID number into the link above\nand read the grant.  The grant only covers the receiver, not the transmitter\npart of the radio.  It will be certified according to some subpart of FCC Part\n15, *not* Part 97.  Sometimes the grant will be for the frequency ranges\noutside the ham bands (this is all that FCC requires), but many will also\nget certification for the ham bands to simplify the application.  If the gear\nonly covers the ham bands, or is confined to operation below 30 MHz\n(i.e., no expanded low-VHF or 6m coverage), certification is not required.\n\nIt appears that US Customs is not concerned with individuals buying these\nnon-certified radios in very small quantities from offshore shops or eBay\nstorefronts etc.  If HRO, AES, etc. wanted to advertise one of these non-\ncertified radios, then I would expect FCC to step in and question it.  Note\nthat the major ham manufacturers tease us with advertisements for new\nradios in the magazines before certification has been granted by FCC,\nbut with a disclaimer that the radio cannot be offered for sale or lease\nuntil that certification is granted.  A way to step around restrictions on\nmarketing a non-certified radio, I think.  It appears that FCC has not\ntried to get eBay to stop those non-US sellers of the non-certified gear\nfrom being visible to US visitors to that site.  And the big 3 or 4 ham\nmanufacturers still announce radios without FCC certification with that\ndisclaimer in the ad.\n\nNow on to using these radios.  Clint - since you have been stridently\ninsisting on the illegality of using non-FCC-certified radios on the US\nham bands, could you please show us the specific law/rule/regulation\nthat states that hams cannot use non-certified commercial gear in the\nham bands?  I am aware of is the technical requirements in FCC\nPart 97, Subpart D, which cover whatever radio - homebrew, kit, or\nmade in a factory - that we may decide to use on the ham bands\nand other parts about not causing interference etc.  The radio may\nnot be FCC certified, but if it meets Part 97 - and the licensee is not\ntransmitting outside the bounds of his/her license with it - that's what\nFCC is interested in.  FCC Part 97 does not speak to the origin of\nthe radio or whether or not it has certification (except for HF and 6m\namplifiers, which require certification as outlined in 97.315 and\n97.317).\n\nNow, where was I again?  Oh, yes, the AMSAT-BB list, talking about\namateur satellites...    ;-)\n\n73!\n\n\n\n\n\nPatrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK\nhttp://www.wd9ewk.net/\n",
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