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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/GE4F66H33D32LQI6PS2RZGNB5HROKQUP/", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/", "message_id": "[email protected]", "message_id_hash": "GE4F66H33D32LQI6PS2RZGNB5HROKQUP", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/GE4F66H33D32LQI6PS2RZGNB5HROKQUP/", "sender": { "address": "archie.hackett (a) hotmail.com", "mailman_id": null, "emails": null }, "sender_name": "John Hackett", "subject": "[amsat-bb] Information.", "date": "2009-07-06T08:46:32Z", "parent": null, "children": [], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "\nHello Dave,\n Certainly, just follow the additional information from the main \npage of ...\n\n<http://www.russianspaceweb.com/index.html>\n\nHave a good day.\n\n73 John <[email protected]>\n............................................................................................\n\n> From: [email protected]\n> To: [email protected]\n> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] An alternative ... or ... competition !!!.\n> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:07:08 -0400\n> \n> Hi John,\n> This is very interesting. Do you know the official news source of this \n> information? I would like to read more about it.\n> \n> Dave, AA4KN\n> \n> ----- Original Message ----- \n> From: \"John Hackett\" <[email protected]>\n> To: <[email protected]>\n> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>\n> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 6:46 AM\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] An alternative ... or ... competition !!!.\n> \n> \n> \n> Ladies and Gentlemen,\n> For those that don't know it, The chief of \n> RosKosmos, the Russian Space Agency *confirmed* last week the Russian \n> intention to pull the plug on the ISS in the 2015 - 2020 timeframe and to \n> construct another dedicated Russian\n> space station.\n> \n> According to Anatoly Zak RosKosmos informed NASA of these plans 14 days ago.\n> \n> The new Russian station is *NOT* intended to be a laboratory like the ISS \n> but\n> more of an in-orbit contruction platform for future Mars-like and outer \n> space\n> missions.\n> \n> The station will comprise a maintainable 'ball' section with several docking \n> ports\n> with attachable modules.\n> \n> I propose that amateur radio satellite operators get together and form a \n> group to suggest/try to influence/impliment an ARISS type of project for \n> this space station.\n> \n> A Strela type frame could be attached to the underside of the 'ball' and \n> since the station is planned for a Molinya type orbit the coverage would be \n> suitable for DX.\n> \n> The planned orbit would put the station predominently over Russia - as \n> opposed to the current ISS equatorial orbit.\n> \n> Personally, I would suggest an RS-10/11 RS-12/13 clone with a ROBOT ...\n> (read: propagation tester) - as these satellites were without the shadow of \n> a\n> doubt the best for recruiting newcomers.\n> \n> It would, in my opinion, be a viable concept and an alternative to some of \n> the\n> latest 'ideas' of a transponder on the moon ... which wouldn't 'catch' many\n> potential newcomers but would (*IN MY OPINION*) only serve a few dedicated \n> 'experts' ... leading to the demise of amateur satellite communications in \n> general.\n> \n> Comments, monies and praise to LA2QAA.\n> \n> Criticisms, horsewhipping and flaming to GM1SXX.\n> \n> 73 John. <[email protected]>\n> \n> Interested parties may read the following ...\n> \n> \n> ................................................................................................................\n> The OPSEK project\n> \n> By\n> 2008, the Russian successor to the International Space Station, ISS,\n> was identified as Orbitalniy Pilotiruemyi Eksperimentalniy Kompleks,\n> OPSEK, or Orbital Manned Assembly and Experiment Complex in English.*\n> Unlike previous designs of Mir, Mir-2 and the ISS,\n> the heart of the station would be a four-ton ball-shaped node module.\n> Equipped with six docking ports, this relatively small and simple\n> element would be the only permanent element of the station. All other\n> modules would come and go as their lifespan and mission requires.\n> \n> The initial architecture of the OPSEK complex could be built out of \n> modules originally planned for the Russian segment\n> of the ISS. The exact scenario of the OPSEK assembly would depend on\n> the end of the ISS and the readiness of the latest Russian modules.\n> According to a 2008 scenario, the MLM multipurpose module, the node module \n> and a pair of NEM power platforms could be first launched to the ISS in \n> 2011, 2013 and 2014-2015,\n> respectively. With the deorbiting of the ISS looming around 2020, these\n> modules could separate from the old outpost to form the core of the new\n> Russian station. Another, more controversial scenario considered the\n> separation of the practically entire Russian segment, including the MIM-2 \n> docking compartment and the Zvezda service module,\n> prior to the ISS deorbiting. In this case, the 20-year-old service\n> module would temporarily take a responsibility for the flight control\n> of the OPSEK, until its replacement with a 40-ton versatile core\n> module, UMB, launched by a next-generation rocket from yet-to-be built \n> launch site in Vostochny during 2020s.\n> \n> The\n> separation of the Russian segment from the ISS would leave the rest of\n> the outpost without effective orbital maneuvering capabilities, leaving\n> the European ATV spacecraft\n> as a likely candidate to perform the tasks of attitude control and\n> deorbiting. To achieve this the ATV would have to be modified to enable\n> its docking with the US segment of the ISS.\n> \n> Depending\n> on the operational orbit selected for the OPSEK, it might be necessary\n> to change the orbital inclination of the modules departing the ISS and\n> forming the new station. The lowest inclination accessible from\n> Vostochny is 51.7 degrees, while the ISS is orbiting the Earth with the\n> inclination 51.6 degrees toward the Equator. It is estimated that one\n> or two Progress cargo ships would be necessary to push the modules from one \n> inclination to another.\n> \n> From\n> official statements during 2008 and 2009, it is clear that the one of\n> the chief objectives of the OPSEK complex would be the support for\n> expedition to Mars. All major elements of the Martian expeditionary\n> complex, such as main habitation module, Mars lander and\n> nuclear-powered space tug would dock to the station before its\n> departure from the low-Earth orbit toward Mars. The Martian expedition\n> would at the OPSEK as well.\n> \n> The station would also play a similar role in lunar exploration. \n> Reusable space tugs could link OPSEK with the Lunar Orbital Station, LOS, in \n> orbit around the Moon, thus creating a transport chain for a permanent lunar \n> base. Such tasks as servicing of modular satellites by orbital tugs based \n> at the OPSEK complex were also cited.\n> \n> In\n> broader terms, TsNIIMash research institute, a chief strategist of the\n> Russian space agency, formulated the OPSEK concept as a foundation of\n> the nation's space strategy. By 2009, the new station was seen as a\n> cornerstone of a new space exploration plan, which extended four\n> decades into the 21st century. An ambitious program apparently included\n> manned missions to the Moon, Mars and beyond. (344)\n> \n> Cooperation with Europe and the US\n> \n> In\n> 2008, Russian plans for maintaining presence in the low-Earth orbit in\n> general and the creation of a successor to the ISS in particular had\n> been met enthusiastically in Europe. As ESA had little hope to match\n> the US effort to return to the Moon at the beginning of the 21st century,\n> preserving a destination in the low-Earth orbit seemed critical for the\n> political support of the manned space flight on the continent.\n> \n> In\n> June 2009, Simonetta Di Pippo, ESA director of human space flight told\n> the editor of RussianSpaceWeb.com that she shared the Russian vision of\n> the future space station as a platform for deep space missions. \"I have\n> continuous consultations with officials in Russia. We meet every month,\n> month and a half, and now\n> we are going to start jointly, the study how to proceed beyond 2025, Di\n> Pippo said, ...\"and we have a common idea that we would like to\n> preserve presence in the lower orbit. We are studying different\n> scenarios, whether we need permanent presence or, maybe, a human-tended\n> capability, and we can end up with a totally different solution in the\n> end, but I don’t believe we can leave Earth orbit.\"\n> \n> Di Pippo also said that although current NASA plans for return to the \n> Moon\n> reserved no essential role for the station, it could change in the\n> future. \"Even on the NASA side, they have too many different\n> developments (associated with the Earth orbit), including commercial\n> involvement, which they can not immediately give up,\" Di Pippo said.\n> \n> By the end of 2010,\n> all partners in the ISS project were expecting to agree on the\n> extension of the ISS lifespan from 2015 to 2020 or even 2025. Once end\n> of life for the ISS was decided an active planning for post-ISS manned\n> space flight could begin in Russia, Europe and possibly the US.\n> \n> \n> \n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. 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