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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/GNOVRVXZRNMHQWBBRKRYVPXMZYIMZVC2/?format=api",
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    "message_id": "060220091313.14685.4A252577000610580000395D22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF049BCC02@att.net",
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    "sender": {
        "address": "n3tl (a) bellsouth.net",
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    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: Hawaii BL11 on AO51 today?",
    "date": "2009-06-02T13:13:27Z",
    "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/7IBWGEYV3TUTKT3PQSQVFDZY57ZBYZ7J/?format=api",
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    "content": "Hey Patrick,\n\nYou've sold yourself and Robert a few hundred miles short with that estimate of 2,900 miles. That, of course, is the \"shortest distance between Point A and Point B\" straight-line distance. But each of you had to make it up to AO-51.\n\nAt the risk of initiating a major debate here, I believe your QSO actually covered more than 3,240 miles - at the minimum.\n\nAs you did, I used BL11cg and, in Orbitron, tracked the range to AO-51 from that grid square during the 02:31 UTC pass last night. The CLOSEST that AO-51 was to BL11cg during that pass (again, according to Orbitron) was at 02:34:21, when the range to the satellite from there was 3,166.273 km (1,967.431 miles). At that same point in the pass, the range to AO-51 from your location (I used the exact coordinates you provided in this email) was 2,053.028 km (1275.692 miles). \n\nTo log a successful QSO, then, the  two of you actually covered a total distance of 5,219.301 km, or 3,243.123 miles. And again, that is the best-case scenario as it applies to Robert's location. Those numbers are based on Orbitron's calculation of the exact second during the pass when AO-51 was closest to Robert. \n\nCongratulations to you both - again. That is outstanding!\n\n73 to all,\n\nTim - N3TL\n\n-------------- Original message from \"Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)\" <[email protected]>: -------------- \n\n\n> Hi! \n> \n> > Robert - you sounded great here in DM13-land (Riverside, CA). \n> > Patrick is further east than I am ... how far did you \n> > communniate??? \n> \n> I don't know exactly where Robert was in Honolulu. I was \n> in my favorite Phoenix city park on the DM33xp/DM43ap \n> grid boundary - 33 degrees 38.903 minutes North, 112 \n> degrees West exactly - where I operate from whenever I \n> say I am in DM33 and DM43: \n> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=33+38.903+N+112+0.00+w&ie=UTF8& \n> ll=33.811102,-112.000122&spn=2.040058,3.872681&t=h&z=8&iwloc=addr&om=0 \n> \n> I held my antenna as high as I could hold it and pointed \n> it westward, since there is a freeway wall not far from \n> that spot. I had a maximum of 15 degrees elevation for \n> the pass, and Robert mentioned in an e-mail earlier this \n> afternoon he was only going to have a maximum of 4 \n> degrees elevation on that pass. He was most likely \n> working hard for every bit of the satellite he could hear. \n> Thanks for picking me up, Robert! \n> \n> Based on estimates for Honolulu (grid BL11cg) and using \n> my location as mapped in the link above, it appears we \n> covered a path of just over 2900 miles (almost 4700km) \n> with that brief contact. My only other satellite QSO with \n> the Hawaiian islands was with WH6FC on the \"big island\" \n> of Hawaii (grid BK29) back in December 2005. That QSO \n> spanned about 2850 miles/4500km from Phoenix, and \n> Honolulu will be further away from me than anywhere on \n> the island of Hawaii. \n> \n> 73! \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK \n> http://www.wd9ewk.net/ \n> _______________________________________________ \n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. \n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! \n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb \n",
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