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        "address": "patrickdk (a) patrickdk.com",
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    "sender_name": "Patrick Domack",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: HEO launch possible???",
    "date": "2008-12-16T16:15:34Z",
    "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/HX2TZUE5FEDTUGBD25ZZ6SJSK3JMZ5XS/?format=api",
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    "content": "This assumes all launch costs are realtive to satellite weight. The  \ncost of people and equipment to do the launch is not related to  \nweight. Plus I don't believe rockets use x mount of propellent per kg,  \nbut it's ramped.\n\nLike anything in life, it's cheaper to buy in bulk, where bulk here is  \ngross satellite weight.\n\nQuoting Luc Leblanc <[email protected]>:\n\n> Hi satellite fans\n>\n> Just came out of a bad dream tonight after reading this Ariane 5   \n> announcement?\n>\n> \"The 186th Ariane mission will launch two communications satellites,  \n>  primarily\n> intended for direct TV broadcast services and data networks: HOT   \n> BIRDTM 9 and W2M,\n> both for Eutelsat.\n>\n> This will be the 42nd Ariane 5 launch.\n>\n> The launcher will be carrying a total payload of 9,220 kg, including  \n>  8,340 kg for the\n> two satellites, which will be released separately into their   \n> targeted orbits.\"\n>\n> Just note The 9220Kg payload and theses Ariane 5 figures\n>\n> LEO Payload* (28.5 deg., 550 km) \tGTO Payload* (7 deg. inclination)\n> 39,600 lb 18,000 kg                             (single / dual   \n> manifest) 15,000 lb / 13,160 lb 6,800 kg / 5,970 kg\n>\n>\n> Configuration\n> Core + 2 SRB + Aestus Second Stage\n>\n> Launch Mass\n> 1,570,000 lb\n> 710,000 kg\n>\n> Estimated Launch Price US $120 M\n>\n> * Performance provided by Arianespace.\n>\n> There is room for a 150kg amateur HEO satellite and at an US$169 per  \n>  kilo a 150Kg mass should cost US $25350!!!\n>\n> I'm not too quick in calculus but how the +_ millions USD P3E and   \n> EAGLE launch cost came from? integration work? shipping and handling?\n>\n> I know that at the top of a Ponzi pyramid numbers added very fast   \n> but even with the worst case scenario there is something who's not   \n> added\n> up correctly here?\n>\n> The killing question is: Is the actual P3E and EAGLE launch issues   \n> are really a financial matter? and those very high HEO launch cost\n> estimates are hiding something else?\n>\n>\n> If you want to see where i got theses figures go to:\n>\n> http://www.spaceandtech.com/spacedata/elvs/ariane5_specs.shtml\n>\n>\n> \"-\"\n>\n>\n> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE\n> Skype VE2DWE\n> www.qsl.net/ve2dwe\n> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE\n>\n>\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n\n\n\n\n",
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