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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/HNRP5LXWR72EYMN2LQOJHMVAG3ND465T/", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/", "message_id": "CAJ8KRCN+RC_fYmXydCO7=KFjR8ALgyN6nvG3YACDutKe7pv7dg@mail.gmail.com", "message_id_hash": "HNRP5LXWR72EYMN2LQOJHMVAG3ND465T", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/AWG7EHDWZAX7CKIWQHQBIBT5CZ5HZUKO/", "sender": { "address": "k7xcnv1 (a) gmail.com", "mailman_id": null, "emails": null }, "sender_name": "K7XC Tim Marek", "subject": "Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award", "date": "2019-04-22T20:28:06Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/EC5JCKGWG3TZGH6OVK7MLMP3LEZFRB74/", "children": [ "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/34FTFXICFTISBEM5EIPMULPNOMH4IHJL/" ], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "Hi Gabe,\n\nPlease don't think I am am anti satellite,\n\nI was active for years on AO-10 and AO-13 and the Russian LEO birds of 2up\nand 10 down, etc.\n\nWhat I am Against is an Award that allows credits from both in the same\naward...\n\nASSISTED QSOs IE: Satellites, Repeaters, Etc\n and\nUNASSISTED QSOs IE: Tropo, Es, MS, EME, etc\n\nWithin the SAME AWARD!\n\nIt makes no sense to mix the two in one award as they are Apple and Oranges\nIE: Not the same animal.\n\nWeather I have made any recent Satellite contacts or not has no bearing on\nmy point!\n\n\n73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh.. sk\n\nAdapt, Overcome, Succeed!\n\n\n\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:08 PM Gabriel Zeifman <[email protected]>\nwrote:\n\n> This is an intriguing observation, considering satellite VUCC has been\n> around for years. I don’t think I’ve ever heard you on one of our “repeater\n> like” satellites?\n>\n> 73,\n> Gabe\n> AL6D/VE6NJH\n>\n> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:55 AM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB <\n> [email protected]> wrote:\n>\n>> A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC\n>> contacts already in LOTW\n>> to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?\n>>\n>> Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs\n>> are\n>> NOT allowed,\n>> and that means NO Satellites!\n>>\n>> I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial\n>> contacts to a Terrestrial award!\n>>\n>> If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on,\n>> disrespecting everyone who in the\n>> past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The\n>> fact it was hard made the goal\n>> worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No\n>> Water. If you want something\n>> bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.\n>>\n>> I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and\n>> encourage others to do as well.\n>>\n>> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk\n>>\n>> Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn <[email protected]> wrote:\n>>\n>> > John,\n>> >\n>> > My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The\n>> idea\n>> > is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming\n>> > changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.\n>> >\n>> > So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12\n>> > hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports\n>> > this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know\n>> about\n>> > the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.\n>> >\n>> > In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our\n>> > representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to\n>> get\n>> > him on the satellites more though!\n>> >\n>> > :-)\n>> >\n>> >\n>> >\n>> > 73,\n>> >\n>> > Les Rayburn, N1LF\n>> > Maylene, AL\n>> > EM63nf\n>> > AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member\n>> >\n>> >\n>> >\n>> >\n>> > > On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier <[email protected]> wrote:\n>> > >\n>> > > Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?\n>> > >\n>> > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB\n>> > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:\n>> > >>\n>> > >> Hello Les,\n>> > >> That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I\n>> would\n>> > >> certainly work towards that end.\n>> > >> Dave\n>> > >> N9HF\n>> > >> el99\n>> > >>\n>> > >> \"Back in my day\" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.\n>> > >>\n>> > >>\n>> > >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <\n>> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>\n>> > >> wrote:\n>> > >>\n>> > >>> Lady & Gentlemen,\n>> > >>>\n>> > >>> Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from\n>> anyone on\n>> > >>> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was\n>> > lost in\n>> > >>> cyberspace.\n>> > >>>\n>> > >>> In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,\n>> I’d\n>> > like\n>> > >>> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that\n>> would\n>> > >>> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.\n>> > >>>\n>> > >>> Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or\n>> > more of\n>> > >>> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special\n>> > >>> certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.\n>> > >>>\n>> > >>> My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on\n>> the\n>> > >>> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,\n>> 1296,\n>> > and\n>> > >>> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale\n>> of\n>> > more\n>> > >>> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and\n>> > advances\n>> > >>> the state of the radio art.\n>> > >>>\n>> > >>> Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I\n>> > could\n>> > >>> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,\n>> grateful\n>> > for\n>> > >>> your service to the hobby.\n>> > >>>\n>> > >>>\n>> > >>>\n>> > >>> 73,\n>> > >>>\n>> > >>> Les Rayburn, N1LF\n>> > >>> 121 Mayfair Park\n>> > >>> Maylene, AL 35114\n>> > >>> EM63nf\n>> > >>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member\n>> > >>>\n>> > >>>\n>> > >>>\n>> > >>>\n>> > >>> _______________________________________________\n>> > >>> VHF mailing list\n>> > >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>\n>> > >>> https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf <\n>> > https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf>\n>> > >>>\n>> > >> _______________________________________________\n>> > >> Sent via [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. AMSAT-NA\n>> > makes this open forum available\n>> > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.\n>> > Opinions expressed\n>> > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views\n>> > of AMSAT-NA.\n>> > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? 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