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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/I5CPSUXVE2WLLRIZEEHP6OJBFQFUZITQ/",
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        "address": "amsat (a) elkmtn.org",
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    "sender_name": "Alex, N3SQ",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb]  AMSAT, ITAR, More AMSAT-NA Volunteers & Such . . .",
    "date": "2009-11-16T17:35:26Z",
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    "content": "Ladies & Gentlemen,\n\nHere's the main thing to think about ITAR. ITAR regulates OUTFLOW of \ninformation, it doesn't care about INFLOW of information. If you build \nor design it by a non-US Person (Citizen or Legal Permanent Resident) \nand you bring it INTO the US, ITAR does not care. So AMSAT-NA can use \ndesigns from P3E, but cannot design parts of P3E.\n\nSo the logical thing to do is have all \"major\" future AMSAT spacecraft \nbe AMSAT-NA managed spacecraft with design elements (camera systems, \nexperiments, etc.) contributed by other AMSAT organizations. The only \nmain technical interaction between the AMSATs would be via a standard, \nopen-sourced, well-published-in-technical-journals interface \nspecification. Money could be contributed from other AMSATs to fund \nlaunch & development costs.\n\nAs for the mantra of \"no one being able to develop the equipment in the \nUS\" . . . The volunteer base is not capped, just expand the size of the \nvolunteer base and organize it better. None of the experienced engineers \nshould be directly building hardware, we should all be supervising teams \nof engineering students who actually build the equipment. There are over \n250 University Engineering programs in the US. Each of those programs \nhave at least 50 students in each graduating class. Let's say that we \ncan get 15% of the students interested in working on a satellite \nproject  (my personal observations  are more like 75% of the students \nare interested).\n\nLet's do the Math:\nWorse Case: 250 Schools x 50 students per graduating class x 15% =  1875 \n  POTENTIALLY INTERESTED STUDENTS IN THE US\nBest Case: 250 Schools x 50 students per graduating class x 75% =  9375  \nPOTENTIALLY INTERESTED STUDENTS IN THE US\nAnd this is just talking about COLLEGE SENIORS - EE's, ME's, CE's, CS's, \nSE's . . . double the number if you include the Juniors.\n\nAnywhere near this load of students would completely overload the \ncurrent AMSAT-NA volunteer base. But talk about the potentially \navailable volunteer base!\n\nWith Binghamton University, I had 7 Hardware Engineering slots available \non the team. There are 200 Hardware Engineers in the BU graduating class \n- about 168 of the students wanted to be on the Satellite Project Team, \na 24x over-subscription. That's pretty impressive. I could have had more \nteams, but we need to crawl, the walk, then run with this activity - \nEVOLUTIONARY not REVOLUTIONARY (but let's just make sure evolution works \nquickly . . .)\n\nThe current BU student team is \"stoked\", they are really excited to be \nworking the project. Every week I get thanked by the students for \nbringing the project to their attention. They have done some really \ngreat work and they have a great faculty advisor, Dr. Roger Westgate. I \nexpect that there will be more than 1 project team next year working on \nan AMSAT satellite, assuming AMSAT is interested in sponsoring more.\n\nSo stop crying into your beer over ITAR. The world is not coming to an \nend. Let's work to launch spacecraft within the ITAR limits.\nIn the meantime, let the AMSAT-NA BoD navigate it's way through the \nbyzantine structure of the US Govt to try to bring about change in ITAR.\n\nAlex Harvilchuck, N3NP\n\n",
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