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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/J5JJG7W6JH3BDZCPOXJIIS4KIXO5T7B2/?format=api",
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        "address": "jramirez (a) wheatonparks.org",
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    "sender_name": "Jeremy Ramirez",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: Radio amateur calling protocol",
    "date": "2008-02-27T15:26:56Z",
    "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/C5OQX4BW23MERMNZQETTYXM3P2O5UVBE/?format=api",
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    "content": "Well put Bruce.  Being someone that hasn't spent years on the birds and having originally started my satellite experimentation with SO-50 not all that long ago it is discouraging to hear the minority of amsat users complaining about FM birds (why do we have them) or the crowded passes where newcomers may be having a bit of trouble.\n\nI for one was happy to be able to start by using a handheld radio and antenna to make contacts on one of the FM birds (SO-50 or AO-51).  Having done that sparked my interest and contributions to AMSAT-NA.  I have since started experimenting since the purchase of a IC-910H with other modes (mostly listening) and hope to start making contacts that way as well.  While I may have done my due diligence and done a lot of listening before trying to talk, we can't fault others completely for getting a bit excited or not knowing \"everything\" first time out.\n\nHarsh scolding isn't going to drive anyone to use the satellites and it certainly won't get AMSAT-NA new members or donations.  Let's keep our hobby civil and help guide some of those that may be having trouble.  Perhaps updated how-to's, etc?  I support new efforts for a HEO bird with various modes but also support those decisions that were made for \"easy-sats\" like AO-51 to help generate interest and proficiency.\n\n73, Jeremy\nKB9QIC\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Robertson\nSent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:43 AM\nTo: Bato, Andras\nCc: [email protected]\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: Radio amateur calling protocol\nThese comments aren't directed specifically at Andras, but rather to\nthe general tenor of this thread.\n\nI'm not sure that this list is the best place to discuss egregious\noperating habits on the satellites. It's my impression that most of\nthese are due to newcomers experimenting with setups that have poor\nreception or who are very occasional users of the satellites. But this\nlist isn't, in my experience, well subscribed by those two audiences.\nRecently, someone on the list made a longish document regarding\nsatellite etiquette, and it was picked up by the RSS services. Perhaps\na web or wiki page on these matters would be most effective.\n\nAnother thought: people who are failing to receive their own signals\nor who are making long CQs to tune their setup (which I suspect is\ngoing on in the situation described above) are, in fact, doing that\nwhich the satellites are meant to support: experimentation with space\ncommunication. If this is so, then they represent the future of our\nbranch of the hobby, not merely an annoyance. Our advice should be\ngeared toward improving their experiments and helping them build\nsatellite communication skills; if their tentative steps disrupt our\nregular communication is, to my mind, secondary.\n\nIt always concerns me that newcomers reading a thread like this will\nbe frightened away. It might seem that there are too many ways to be\nbranded a lid in satellite operations, and if people on email are this\njudgemental, it must be brutal on the birds. I'm sure everyone will\nagree that this is not the case: a new callsign, however deaf :-), is\ngreeted with great enthusiasm and everyone tries to support everyone\nelse with technical advice and a kind word. We want you to succeed and\nto learn about the amazing mix of planetary physics and RF that makes\nsatellite operations so engaging.\n\n>\n\nAgain, for the benefit of the larger audience, it should be noted that\nthis is of historical interest only. The current AMSAT-NA mission\nstatement involves the production of HEO satellites while supporting\nothers in LEO work, FM or not. There may be those of us, like me, who\nfind AO-51 provided a fine stepping-stone to linear work, but we are\nhappy to have our membership fees and donations support the HEO\nmission. Moreover, the dichotomy between FM and linear LEO is a\nsomewhat false one. VO-52 has shown that a linear transponder can be\nused in FM over part of the world and linear usage over others. Kiwi\nsat and others intend to provide both services in their upcoming\nbirds. I'm grateful to be able to use an FM bird in portable\ncircumstances, since I don't have a full-duplex SSB radio that I can\ncarry around in the forest (now that would be a great homebrew project\n:-)\n\n73, Bruce\nVE9QRP\n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n",
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