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    "sender_name": "Samudra Haque N3RDX & S21X",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: Satellites need to be open source",
    "date": "2009-11-14T15:44:20Z",
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    "content": "resend due to origin address snafu\n\nOn Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Samudra Haque <[email protected]>wrote:\n\n> Actually, in the eyes of ITAR administrators, I am sure the act of a\n> \"foreign national\" asking publicly for \"\"sensitive\"\" technology matters such\n> as the details of construction for satellites could raise more than a few\n> eyebrows.\n>\n> If an individual wishes to come to the US and obtain publicly available\n> journals/research papers that is sold by an institution such as AIAA, IEEE\n> which contains basic discoveries and CANNOT results that can be utilized\n> directly in building satellites, ITAR actually allows that. For information,\n> read the ITAR links I have posted earlier. However, for questions that\n> specifically target \"How do you\"... the individual may want to be careful as\n> not to get to become an interesting target of inquiry by a variety of\n> agencies looking for moles.\n>\n> An example from another industry: If you go to visit UK as a US national,\n> all is fine, no visa required. However if you are a foreign national living\n> in the US, you have to go through a biometric investigation and a complete\n> biography review (dad/mom/children/job) before a visa is issued and the data\n> is kept for *10 years* and shared with other governments, regardless of the\n> type of visit or duration (1 day to many days). I shudder to think if an\n> international person were to be identified in a public way of being\n> inquisitive and interested to obtain ITAR classified documents, and boasting\n> about it publicly on an open website - what would happen if they were the\n> target of U.S. Gov't action ?\n>\n>\n> http://mae.pennnet.com/display_article/366108/32/ARTCL/none/EXCON/1/ITAR-compliance:-ignorance-of-defense-export-regulations-is-no-excuse/\n>\n> Luc, specifically, your questions may be answered by Page 17 onwards of the\n> following presentation:\n>\n> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=8&ved=0CCAQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rensselaer.org%2Fdept%2Ffinance%2Fdocs%2Fresearch%2FExportControls.ppt&ei=As7-Sru0M4nVlQe7leXeDA&usg=AFQjCNFBnvL3w7kFLP9yEdVeYU72Qxh7Vg&sig2=xd-u2jP9cmuJy_1a4j-8WQ\n>\n> However, if you insist that you want to know something now that is still in\n> the laboratory R&D process and not yet published that is not going to help\n> in the setup of an ITAR compliance system at AMSAT and I would like to ask\n> you not to pursue that track. You can always subscribe to academic journals\n> (AIAA, IEEE) to obtain the results of published, and ITAR cleared,\n> research). AMSAT journals are only collated, and are not referred rigorously\n> ! Hopefully they will change to a more peer reviewed model in the future.\n>\n>\n> Samudra N3RDX\n>\n> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:04 PM, John B. Stephensen <[email protected]>wrote:\n>\n>> Since you are in Canada you don't have to worry about U.S. laws.\n>>\n>> 73,\n>>\n>> John\n>> KD6OZH\n>> over\n>>\n>\n",
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