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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/K7JNWJF6SK7PGGX5UKHM62LTEW6AKEPT/?format=api",
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    "sender": {
        "address": "nate (a) natetech.com",
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    "sender_name": "Nate Duehr",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: the tyranny of the military",
    "date": "2009-02-24T18:22:17Z",
    "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/C6ZGHD6I6B3YOGRT3RATWBSZQXZEH3PR/?format=api",
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    "content": "It's important to maintain civility on these mailing lists, because cowards\nbehind keyboards will say anything -- but part of that is to call someone\nout when they're WAY out of line.\n\nBob's done thousands of volunteer hours of work on things for Amateur Radio\nthat weren't even dreamed up before he attempted them, Pat.  The Amateur\nRadio community simply wouldn't have APRS if it weren't for Bob's unique\nentrepreneurial characteristics.\n\nYou're WAY out of line with your \"military\" and \"tyranny\" comments and\npersonal attacks on Bob.  That is, unless you're going to dedicate the time,\nresources, and intelligence that he has to the Amateur Radio community\nWORLDWIDE.\n\nAre you prepared to step up and offer useful things at the rate and\nenthusiasm to the Amateur community as Bob has?  If not... \"Step off.\"  \n\nThe space station comment is almost comical -- the Astronauts have strict\nschedules set by their CIVILIAN program managers, and then choose on their\nown what to do with the remaining time in their days.  \n\nThe fact that APRS and other Amateur technology are even on board --\ntechnology that can be used when the Astronauts are NOT available -- is a\ntestament to Bob's ingenuity and stamina, along with many other Amateurs who\nworked together to make it happen.  \n\nDo you have ANY idea how hard it is to fly gear on a manned spacecraft, to\nget it certified, and to build procedures for its safe use?  (Example: The\nAmateur station must be switched OFF during EVA activity in order to\nalleviate risks with frequency interference.  This makes the Astronauts\nBUSIER, and that makes coordination more difficult -- don't you think the\nprogram manager would rather just say \"shut the thing down permanently\" or\nhave never flown the Amateur station in the first place?)\n\nDo you have enough interpersonal skill to work with people in those roles\nand garner the Amateur community enough resources to put something in orbit\naround the planet?  Realistically, you probably don't have to answer that\nquestion -- since I doubt you do.  If you do... \"Step up.\"\n\nYour perception of Bob is wickedly twisted, indicating that you have some\ndeep and over-reaching mistrust of quite normal hams who just happen to have\nmilitary-related jobs.  You may want to get some counseling for that.  Bob\nnever did anything but good for you, as far as I can see.  Meanwhile to\nsoothe your strange phobia, think of Bob as a college professor instead, if\nthat helps you lower your outlandish concern level.\n\nAttacking him in a public forum (while I'm sure he's seen it all before,\nwell maybe not THIS one... and can defend himself adequately), is an insult\nto all volunteer hams who build infrastructure for other hams, everywhere.  \n\nMy personal pet-peeve are the IDIOTS who attack volunteers who do good work\nfor Amateur Radio.  They're few and far between and I get seriously pissed\noff at people like you who attack them for no sane reason.  Welcome to my\ngun-sights.  \n\nI'd rather see you learn and get over your personal problems, but if it's a\nchoice between you or Bob, the community would be better off with Bob.  If\nyou think my reply is harsh, it is MEANT to be.  Maybe you'll think before\nyou attack the next volunteer while you whine from your recliner,\naccomplishing nothing.\n\nCelebrate Ability,\n\nNate WY0X\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On\nBehalf Of Thomas McGrane\nSent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:36 AM\nTo: [email protected]\nSubject: [amsat-bb] the tyranny of the military\n\nGreetings from Patrick N2OEQ\n\nRegarding bruninga's post suggesting even more control over the \nsatellite.... Bruninga and the military has too much control over the \nspace program and amsat satellites.\n\nLook what happened to the space station, years of military devised \npacket position reporting and very little \"human\" contact.\n\nI recommend you all think for yourselves and remember, this is AMATEUR \nradio, NOT PROFESSIONAL.\n\nRegarding activity on oscar 51, its great to hear the excitment of new \noperators but very disappointing to hear so many regulars almost every \nday. Give some new people a chance.\n\nBruninga reminds me of the movie title, \"the world is not enough\"\n\nThink for yourselves!\n\npat\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n",
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