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        "address": "hartzell (a) gmail.com",
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    "sender_name": "Dave hartzell",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 sat VS US military operations",
    "date": "2007-02-16T03:39:27Z",
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    "content": "Luc,\n\nAs long as the USAF Academy students are legally licensed amateur\noperators, what is the issue?  If they can take advantage of an AO-51\n\"downtime\" to perform an experiment, I would hope that the control\noperators and AMSAT-NA could accommodate them, and any other\neducational non-profit organization.  I didn't see anywhere in Drew's\nemail stating that the S-Band mode would be restricted to the USAF-A.\nAs far as I know, there is nothing stopping anyone (military or\notherwise) from using AO-51 or any Amsat (with or without the public's\nknowledge).\n\nIf you're concerned about military involvement in AMSAT or any other\nspace activity, you'll be hard-pressed to find a launch vehicle that\nwas NOT subsidized by a government or military organization.\n\n73,\n\nDave\nNøTGD\n\nOn 2/14/07, Luc Leblanc <[email protected]> wrote:\n> On 14 Feb 2007 at 0:00, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:\n>\n> > Luc,\n> >\n> > Your research is faulty. This information below is not the same Falconsat as the USAFA satellite I mentioned:\n>\n> Here is a link where the falconsats are depicted:\n>\n> http://space.skyrocket.de/index_frame.htm?http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/fal\n> consat-3.htm\n>\n> I respecfully submit to your attention theses sats are Military satellite made\n> by, launch by, and controlled by military (even cadets).\n>\n> Here is the mission and payloads of the Falconsats\n>\n> Falcon gold\n>\n> Falcon Gold was an US Air Force Academy experiment to demonstrate use of GPS\n> navigation in orbits above the Navstar constellation. The instrument package\n> was bolted to the Centaur-2A stage of an Atlas-2A, which launched the DSCS-3\n> B13 satellite. All systems operated nominally during the successful mission\n> until primary battery power on the spacecraft was depleted. Cadets participated\n> in all phases of the mission including systems design, fabrication, launch\n> vehicle integration, qualification testing, launch site operations, and mission\n> operations.\n>\n>\n> FalconSat 1\n>\n> The first free-flying Academy satellite, FalconSat-1 carried the CHAWS\n> (Charging Hazards and Wake Studies) experiment developed by the Physics\n> Department at the Academy. The launch was successful and the satellite was\n> deployed into its orbit without problems. However, the following weeks, cadets\n> working in the Academy ground station struggled to bring the satellite totally\n> on-line. Initial communication contacts with the satellite went well, but\n> during subsequent it became apparent that the spacecraft's power system was not\n> functioning correctly to properly charge the batteries during daylight.\n> Unfortunately, after about 1 month, the mission was satellite the mission was\n> terminated.\n>\n> While FalconSAT-1 was a technical failure, it was a resounding academic\n> success. Cadets participated in all phases of the mission from conceptual\n> design though assembly, integration, testing, launch and on-orbit operations.\n>\n>\n> FalconSat 2\n>\n> The mission of the FalconSat-2 will be to measure space plasma phenomena that\n> are known to adversely affect space-based communication, such as the Global\n> Positioning Satellite (GPS), and other civil and military communications.\n> Originally planned to be deployed from a Shuttle mission, it has been moved to\n> a dedicated launch on the maiden flight of the Falcon-1 rocket.\n>\n>\n> FalconSat 3\n>\n> FalconSAT-3, is a 50 kg microsatellite being developed by faculty and cadets,\n> and is the Air Force Academy´s first attempt at achieving three axis attitude\n> determination and control (ADCS). FalconSAT-3 will carry three payloads to\n> conduct DoD research. The attitude requirements for FalconSAT-3 include\n> pointing the satellite within +/- five degrees of ram direction, as well as\n> attitude knowledge to within one degree. FalconSAT-3 will provide sophisticated\n> characterization of plasma turbulence in the F region ionosphere. Significant\n> advances in technology have enabled miniaturization of instruments that enable\n> comprehensive measurements of both ambient and spacecraft-specific turbulence.\n>\n> The three primary experiments include\n>\n>     * the Flat Plasma Spectrometer (FLAPS), a planar electrostatic analyzer\n> used to measure ion spectra differential in energy with a DE/E ~ 4%;\n>     * the Plasma Local Anomalous Noise Environment (PLANE) experiment, a\n> bifurcated retarding potential analyzer capable of distinguishing between\n> ambient and spacecraft-induced turbulence; and\n>     * the Micro-Propulsion Attitude Control System (MPACS), consisting of a set\n> of Teflon-fueled pulsed plasma thrusters used to stabilize satellite attitude.\n>\n> The FalconSAT-3 satellite bus is custom fabricated at the United States Air\n> Force Academy (USAFA) and is manifested for launch into a 35° inclination, 560\n> km circular orbit in late 2006. Satellite operations will be managed from the\n> USAFA ground station. Complementary ground-based observations of the ionosphere\n> will be taken both at USAFA and at remote locations at low magnetic latitudes,\n> where equatorial ionospheric processes are particularly effective at\n> stimulating plasma turbulence.\n>\n> You are right about the FALCONSAT NSSDC ID: 2000-004D\n> Other Names* 26064 As you not quote FalconSat 3 you confirm that FalonSat 3 is\n> a military satellite. There is some military spy satellite and some \"science\"\n> military satellite, My point is why AMSAT-NA is helping the US air force with\n> an amateur radio satellite?\n>\n> If you read carefully i wrote \"Did AMSAT-NA will condemned military endeavour\n> or support it?\" I never say it was an AMSAT-NA project \"hopefully\" .\n>\n> You wrote \" please be patient as we cooperate with our friends at the USAFA\"\n> Placing  AO-51 an AMSAT-NA amateur satellite in a configuration to help \"our\n> friends at the USAFA\"  just make me ask again  \"Did AMSAT-NA will condemned\n> military endeavour or support it?\".\n>\n> I never speak about any conspiracy but as you raised the subject could be an\n> AMSAT-NA official can also do his homework and tell us how they let an amateur\n> radio satellite involved in a military conducted business?\n>\n> If you feel pointed out it's probably because the shoe fits!  Otherwise you\n> will never come up with you hollow post where you don't even give us a glimpse\n> of an answer about my questions.\n>\n>\n>\n> Set aside the good old volunteer saga and their time spent that we all know and\n> that we admire and just focus your attention on this part of you post\n> \"badgering by the likes of you may deprive hams from the use of a fine\n> satellite.\"  Reads if you don't let us do what we want and you don't shut your\n> /x%6 mouth you will don't get this satellite! That's what i wrote \"driven by\n> any floating interest who probably blackmailed them \"AGAIN\" note the \"AGAIN\"\n> and change the \"them\" for \"us\".\n>\n> Just an historical note. There was a bunch of rocket scientist in Peenemünde\n> who from 1936 to 1943 where making also scientific rocket search and test and\n> you probably know also  their final product! the V-1 and V-2 rocket.\n>\n> AMSAT-NA should not be involved with any military testing or actions nor\n> letting an IARU/ITU OSCAR satellite be used to help an armed forces wing.\n>\n> I suggest a former letter of protest should be sent to the IARU condemning this\n> military satellite use.\n>\n> P.S. If my home work is not correct this time don't hesitate to correct me!\n>\n>\n>\n> \"-\"\n>\n>\n> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE\n> Skype VE2DWE\n> www.qsl.net/ve2dwe\n> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE\n>\n>\n>\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n\n\n-- \n\"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to\npersist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.\" - Carl Sagan.\n\n",
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