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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/MHOSBIJNBYIDQ36BMWZ4VTINYMPSMT3S/",
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    "sender_name": "PA3GUO",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: Funcube dongle results Jan 16th",
    "date": "2011-01-17T23:15:18Z",
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    "content": "Dear Howard,\n\n>From my initial (out-of-the-box) experiments it is clear that with proper\ninput filtering results are very (very) good.\n\nUsing my beams I have such filtering in the pre-amps, as you correctly \nassumed. Also, when using the vertical in my 'tower' I use indeed a \ntriplexer, you are right again, works fine.\n\nIn such situation I have similar results as with a Kenwood TS2000 (!)\nSensitivity of the FCD is indeed outstanding (especially for such a\nwide frequency range). I can hear satellites until 0.0 degrees elevation.\n\n>From Nico PA0DLO I understand that he also experiences on VHF influence\nby nearby signals. We compared our FCDs here at my station, they are similar.\nStill Nico has more issues receiving the same stations compared to me, even\nthough we are a few miles apart. This can be local pagers etc (his assumption).\nBut it can indeed also be filtering: we tested the same local beacon at 126 MHz \nin my station with a triplexer, and as far as I know he uses directly a wide-band \ndiscone antenna.\n\nWhich confirms your assumptions as well.\n\nBack to the ISS test. I expected the Kenwood would have received those signals.\nEven though no filtering from a triplexer or pre-amp. But: a Kenwood (or ICOM 910\nor so) has also filtering at the antenna input stage.  Which the FCD does not.\nWhich would confirm that prefiltering is important.\n\nIndeed I do notice that sometimed the spectrum has changes in noise floor levels.\nYou see that when suddenly the whole spectrum becomes lighter/darker.\n\nUnfortunately it will take me until next weekend to do more tests. On the other\nhand, my reports were ment to encourage others, no scientific measurements.\nWould be better (more factual) if this would be done with a few signal generators. \n\nThen again, I expect the FCD to be sensitive enough. We are now taking it\nto the extremes and see go low (small) we can go :-)\n\nGreat stuff - extremely motivation \n(IMHO the FCD is the most exciting \"creation\" of the past 10 years)\n\nHenk\n\nps: I did use the latest firmware\n\n\n---- Howard Long <[email protected]> schreef:\n> Hi Henk\n> \n> Particularly regarding your attempt to receive the ISS, do you see a\n> significant increase in noise floor when you connect the antenna at VHF,\n> potentially 20dB or more?\n> \n> If so, it may be being overloaded from the sum of VHF signals coming into\n> the radio. When you use a preamp it almost certainly has a bandpass filter\n> in it. The filtering on the FCD at VHF is rather wide bandpass with 3dB\n> cutoffs between about 60MHz and 270MHz. Thus if there's significant pager,\n> band II FM, or Band III DAB etc traffic the front end gets a bit swamped,\n> and your noise floor rises.\n> \n> We're already looking into simple recommended methods of alleviating this.\n> The first thing is to make sure you're using the 18c firmware as this\n> implements tighter filtering. I also found that simply using the VHF port of\n> a V/U di/duplexer worked well in some situations. The best results I found\n> were with the middle port of a CFX-514 triplexer. If you have close in pager\n> interference then you'll need something rather tighter. In the UK for\n> example, we often have pagers at 138 and 153MHz.\n> \n> At UHF and above, the FCD uses tighter programmable bandpass filters so we\n> don't tend to experience this at these frequencies.\n> \n> The front end of the FCD is pretty sensitive, with all units measured and\n> targeted for 0.15uV for 12dB SINAD on NBFM. But if there are fairly strong\n> out of band signals, this will inevitably raise the noise floor.\n> \n> 73, Howard G6LVB\n> \n> -----Original Message-----\n> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On\n> Behalf Of PA3GUO\n> Sent: 16 January 2011 21:10\n> To: [email protected]\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Funcube dongle results Jan 16th\n> \n> Some more FUNCube dongle results:\n> \n> (not much new information, just want to share my few hours\n> time today to spend on the FCD which I really enjoyed)\n> \n> Using 2x6 elements 145 MHz:\n> - VO52 USB downlink great, with and without preamp\n> \n> Using 1x12 elements 435 MHz\n> - AO51 FM downlink great with preamp, without noisier\n> - HO68 CW beacon great with preamp, good without\n> \n> OK. So with the normal antennas the FCD works great.\n> Time to try thew absolute minumum: Outside in the garden, laptop\n> plus a simple vertical for 145 MHz; ISS packet: nothing heared/seen.\n> Was a surprise to me, as ISS is normally extremely strong.\n> Also tried AO51 FM with just a dipole outside: nothing heared/seen.\n> Both passes were >80 degrees elevation.\n> So for now I guess you need either a beam or a preamp.\n> \n> Then again, the unit is the size of a USB memory stick and\n> has a range 60MHz -1.7 GHz - no complaints !\n> \n> Overal I am still very impressed. The dongle connected to my\n> normal antenna system (beams + pre-amps) gives great results.\n> \n> Just listened twice to a VO52 pass, and listening in USB was very\n> comfortable, audio sounds very nice until 0 degrees elevation\n> (using WRplus).\n> \n> Amazing to be able to watch the entire downlink spectrum, and\n> see a few QSOs in parallel, seeing multiple stations tuning (their\n> signals going from left ro right and back until they hear themselves).\n> \n> Of course everyone else had SDR for satellites already :-) For me\n> this is just amazing. Great work by the FUNCube Dongle team.\n> \n> We often see discussions on how to get SSB for a few $'s and start\n> to compare various conventional transceivers. Well, the FCD is surely\n> an option to reduce cost on the downlink: all mode / all bands.\n> \n> Henk, PA3GUO\n> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZGlqKPPQo\n> \n> \n> \n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> \n\n--\nHenk, PA3GUO\n\n",
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