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        "address": "k0vty (a) juno.com",
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    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: The Whole GEO Package - EMCOMM",
    "date": "2007-12-20T17:58:43Z",
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    "content": "The notion that Maybe ARRL should be the driver(s) of GEO's\nfor emergency satellite radio flew past a moment ago.\nAt least it would appear the issue is larger than just AMSAT-NA\n\nJoe K0VTY\n==================\nOn Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:09:41 -0500 \"Roger Kolakowski\" <[email protected]>\nwrites:\n> I actually equate the preparation and package to being a combination \n> of the\n> previous efforts of Civil Defense and MARS (not the planet.)\n> \n> During the Cold War the government funded the placement of 2 meter \n> Gonset\n> Communicators in many CD Shelters and city/town communication \n> facilities\n> around the country. Nets were held. Groups were formed.\n> \n> Currently I do know that, at least in Massachusetts, there is still \n> funding\n> available to the towns for a \"Civil Defense\" director in the local\n> governments.\n> \n> So...as part of the EMCOMM...\"Civil Defense\" services are again \n> strengthened\n> through a local \"Communications Officer\", the old lessons of traffic \n> passing\n> are updated and practiced ala \"MARS\" TYPE traffic nets (though not \n> under\n> Military oversight), new \"standards\" are set, satellite \"nets\" are \n> formed\n> for readiness training allowing the development of \"systems\" and as \n> usual\n> \"emergency traffic\" gets priority.\n> \n> This may preclude 100% access by the casual operator during \"net\" \n> evenings,\n> but assuming timezone differences and a sufficiently wide passband, \n> these\n> \"CD\" nets might be held one day/night per week.\n> \n> In this case, we prove and provide capability, develop a \"league\" \n> of\n> operators who can become EMCOMM qualified while allowing themselves \n> and\n> others to use the satellite \"freetime\" while developing their skills \n> at\n> disaster relief if they so choose.\n> \n> Previously these activities came under the \"umbrella\" of the ARRL. \n> That\n> would be one solution, however there is a real possibility that this \n> becomes\n> an opportunity for AMSAT to step up and drag EMCOMM kicking and \n> screaming\n> into this century.\n> \n> Will it require more of an organization, yes...will it require more\n> \"members\"...yes,\n> but the opportunities for digital to pencil traffic handling and\n> communications are endless.\n> \n> Roger\n> WA1KAT\n> \n> ----- Original Message ----- \n> From: \"Edward Cole\" <[email protected]>\n> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>\n> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:30 AM\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Whole GEO Package\n> \n> \n> > At 04:29 AM 12/20/2007, Bruce Robertson wrote:\n> >\n> > >In this spirit, might I ask this list to imagine what needs to be \n> done to\n> > >make the emcomm/geo package a reality? The following is my rather \n> long\n> > >analysis of the situation.\n> > >\n> > >I believe the proponents of the Intelsat agreement have done us a \n> great\n> > >service by identifying a real and persisting need which AMSAT \n> can\n> uniquely\n> > >fulfill. By doing so, they not only greatly increase our chances \n> of\n> funding\n> > >otherwise prohibitively expensive launches, they give our branch \n> of the\n> > >hobby a greater reason to do what we do.\n> > >\n> > >However, I also think the EMCOMM branch of our hobby has \n> different needs\n> > >than the usual satellite station operator. If we are to really \n> and\n> honestly\n> > >make the world a safer place and save lives, I think we will need \n> to\n> > >provide a GEO EMCOMM package that will require us as a \n> organization to\n> > >branch into some new and exciting efforts. Let me explain what I \n> mean.\n> > >\n> > >Traditionally, a satellite station has been developed through \n> one\n> person's\n> > >expertise gradually growing regarding a number of interrelated \n> aspects:\n> low\n> > >signal VHF and UHF operation; the mechanics of an az-el antenna \n> array;\n> > >computer control; and doppler correction. Certain satellites or \n> operating\n> > >habits allow one to omit one or more of these, but in general \n> it's, even\n> by\n> > >ham standards, a challenging array of new skills and \n> understanding. I'd\n> say\n> > >the members of AMSAT are self-selected as those who enjoy this \n> challenge\n> > >and seek to learn as many aspects of the field as possible.\n> > >\n> > >However, for an EMCOMM system to be effective, it cannot rely on \n> a broad\n> > >array of such specialized knowledge: it is unreasonable to expect \n> that\n> the\n> > >first ham on the scene of a disaster will be one of the AMSAT \n> 'us', a\n> > >person who has acquired this specialized knowledge. It is only \n> reasonable\n> > >to assume that it will be an amateur radio operator, familiar \n> with the\n> > >general principles of radio theory and operation. In fact, in my \n> region t\n> he\n> > >EMCOMM specialists and the technical specialists (if I might put \n> it that\n> > >way) are often not the same people.\n> > >\n> > >So our challenge is more extensive than the challenge that faced \n> AMSAT\n> with\n> > >any previous launch: we need to make communication through this \n> bird\n> > >possible for any ham shmoe who is opening up a box of equipment \n> after,\n> say\n> > >an afternoon of instruction half a year ago.   Please note, this \n> is not a\n> > >matter of dumbing-down the bird or making it uninteresting. In \n> fact, for\n> > >the old-hands and the technically adept around here this will be \n> very\n> > >interesting and a great outlet for our skills. In this \n> application, if\n> not\n> > >on all birds, we should take it as a sign of success when people\n> > >effortlessly get connected, because it would mean that, in a \n> true\n> emergency\n> > >there would be a greater likelihood of useful service.\n> > >\n> > >If this analysis is accurate, we need to imagine, broadly, three \n> things:\n> a)\n> > >the services (or modes) this ham will offer to support EMCOMM; b) \n> the box\n> > >of stuff that this ham opens up; c) the afternoon's training she\n> undertook\n> > >to know how to use it. These are interrelated, of course. The \n> training is\n> > >apropos the box of stuff, and the box of stuff allows the \n> services. They\n> > >should also, I think, be *standardized* to an extent that has not \n> been\n> the\n> > >case before with satellite work. Recently I heard the argument on \n> Amateur\n> > >Radio Newsline that ham EMCOMM services should be more \n> interchangeable\n> > >across the continent; the same will surely be the case regarding \n> this\n> work.\n> > >Ideally the 'stuff' and the training is the same everywhere so \n> that the\n> > >shmoe has a chance of recollecting her training and is required \n> to factor\n> > >out/in as few local variables as possible.\n> > >\n> > >The advantage we have is that it isn't unreasonable to expect the \n> box of\n> > >stuff to be perhaps more pricey than individual hams would like \n> such\n> things\n> > >to be.\n> > >\n> > >A large part of a) and b) will be determined by the ACP team, \n> whose goal\n> > >even with Eagle was to provide ground-station hardware alongside \n> the\n> bird's\n> > >hardware. (The wisdom of this new approach should be applauded; \n> I'm sure\n> it\n> > >has made re-purposing Eagle hardware for P4/EMCOMM much easier \n> to\n> imagine.)\n> > >As I've argued before, I think one of the most important mode we \n> can\n> offer\n> > >is simple Internet connectivity, allowing the emergency services \n> folks to\n> > >use the communication tools like email with which they are most \n> familiar.\n> I\n> > >hope this will be part of the mix. As for the second half of b) \n> and c), I\n> > >think it will focus around designing and teaching the use of \n> software.\n> > >Perhaps the box of stuff will include a laptop that operates well \n> with a\n> > >specialized linux distribution-on-a-disk, including all the \n> software\n> tools\n> > >needed to assess link quality, perform simple communication, etc. \n>  If I'm\n> > >right, this is fortunate because we seem to have quite a number \n> of adept\n> > >software developers in our midst.\n> > >\n> > >Finally, the course. Can we provide standard lesson-plans, ppt \n> slides and\n> > >the like? I think this would significantly lower the bar on each \n> of us\n> > >teaching a session on P4 to our local club or EMCOMM group.\n> > >\n> > >I think we should spread the load on these tasks as early as \n> possible,\n> > >making many of us participants in the final goal of increasing \n> the safety\n> > >of our communities and nations. I'm excited to hear what others \n> think\n> about\n> > >the broader implications of the P4 initiative and how we can \n> deliver on\n> the\n> > >whole GEO package.\n> > >\n> > >73, Bruce\n> > >VE9QRP\n> >\n> > Bruce,\n> >\n> > This is an excellent topic to bring to the -bb.\n> >\n> > Off course until the design of P4 has progressed, this is mostly\n> speculation.\n> >\n> > The EMCOMM radio package will most certainly drive the satellite\n> > requirements, as well.\n> >\n> > The ground package needs to be:\n> > 1- compact (portable)\n> > 2- standardized (so diverse groups can assemble a package)\n> > 3- well documented (both for assembly and use)\n> > 4- versatile to power (anywhere in the world)\n> > 5- robust (to endure rough handling; harsh environments)\n> > 6- easy to interface (with computing hdwr; telco; other ham \n> equipment)\n> > 7- simple to assemble and aim\n> > 8- affordable\n> > 9- kit or ready to use (within reason considering the technology)\n> >\n> > This should probably be close to the same package that the \n> apartment\n> > user will have.  This would expand the volume of units made.  \n> design\n> > be made available to commercial sector to provide units (fitting \n> the\n> spec).\n> >\n> > Hope this gives a starting point.\n> >\n> >\n> > 73,\n> > Ed - KL7UW\n> > ======================================\n> >   BP40IQ   50-MHz - 10-GHz   www.kl7uw.com\n> > 144-EME: FT-847, mgf-1801, 4x-xpol-20, 185w\n> > DUBUS Magazine USA Rep [email protected]\n> > ======================================\n> >\n> > _______________________________________________\n> > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the \n> author.\n> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite \n> program!\n> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> >\n> \n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the \n> author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite \n> program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> \n> \n",
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