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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/N2KHDEEKYSOHHM7AH2UNCRXCWTBS7FPX/", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/", "message_id": "[email protected]", "message_id_hash": "N2KHDEEKYSOHHM7AH2UNCRXCWTBS7FPX", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/UEKUBALKG65Q3MALXJ35BIK7KWTMEGTO/", "sender": { "address": "pagreen (a) gmail.com", "mailman_id": "4363148167884637a2739295d276a98c", "emails": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/sender/4363148167884637a2739295d276a98c/emails/" }, "sender_name": "Patrick Green", "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior.", "date": "2011-02-21T22:51:37Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/UEKUBALKG65Q3MALXJ35BIK7KWTMEGTO/", "children": [], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "This the parking lot at rush hour problem. Try a pass at 2am and you\nwon't have to fight. You may not find anyone to talk to even.\n\n73 de Pat --- KA9SCF.\n\nOn Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:47 AM, k6yk <[email protected]> wrote:\n>\n> There's nothing AMSAT can do about lids. Lids are lids and they\n> are everywhere on the hambands, not just satellite. I would suspect\n> that the ones you're complaining about don't read this list, or talk to\n> any\n> other hams. We do all this writing, but the people who need to read it\n> don't.\n>\n> The madness on the birds is minor compared to what it is on HF at times.\n>\n> (Not all the time)...\n>\n> Doing a demo on a SSB/CW bird would be much nicer. It's much more\n> civilized most of the time.\n>\n> 73,\n> John K6YK\n>\n>\n> On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:41:10 +0000 (UTC) [email protected] writes:\n>> This is and will be an ongoing problem until the powers to be at\n>> amsat do something about the mess on the FM birds . Tom you are\n>> preaching to the choir here because most of the offenders have no\n>> idea that this BBS is here. If the FCC stopped long enough to\n>> monitor this madness, they would likely have Amsat shut it down. BUT\n>> it is our job to police the ham bands.I guess that might mean we\n>> need to write down the bird,call sign ,date ,mode, and time and try\n>> to contact the offender and explain to the operator the trouble they\n>> are causing and offer them some advice on how to operate on the\n>> birds. Amsat wants users and needs members but this madness has to\n>> be corrected. I would not do a satallite demo any where and let\n>> people hear the mess that is ever present now and even worse on the\n>> weekends. Amsat needs to address this issue and offer a solution\n>> before the responsible operators givenup and quite dealing with the\n>> birds.\n>> Thats my 2 cents worth AGAIN\n>> WA4HFN Damon EM55\n>> ----- Original Message -----\n>> From: \"Tom Schuessler\" <[email protected]>\n>> To: [email protected]\n>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 11:29:20 PM\n>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Considerate satellite operations behavior.\n>>\n>> Hi all,\n>>\n>> I do not have the dollars yet to upgrade to an all mode radio to be\n>> able to\n>> do SSB/CW operations so FM is my lot for now. I love early mornings\n>> on\n>> AO-51 and later in the evening SO-50 and SO-67 when available\n>> because the\n>> roar of the crowd is significantly less. That being said, I like to\n>> give\n>> AO-51 or AO-27 a try once in a while in the afternoons to make a few\n>> Qs but\n>> find myself more often than not put off by the sheer mess found\n>> there. Only\n>> been doing this for 8 months with 260 QSOs on an irregular schedule\n>> so maybe\n>> I am out of line here, but I will throw out some observations\n>> anyway.\n>>\n>> The for me 2210Z 20-Feb, 2011 pass was a typical example of what\n>> makes this\n>> part of the hobby hard to promote. I know that many of you are\n>> conscientious operators and do not try stomp on others but there are\n>> some\n>> out there who just don't seem to understand that there is a proper\n>> way to do\n>> this that will maximize the number of QSOs that actually get\n>> completed on a\n>> given pass.\n>>\n>> I don't know how many times I heard someone call another station but\n>> when\n>> that second station answers, somebody else comes right on top and\n>> obliterates the poor guy with a totally unrelated call. I have had\n>> a\n>> station call me back only to have his exchange blown out of the\n>> water by\n>> somebody else who is apparently not listening to the fact that\n>> several\n>> seconds of an exchange has already occurred.\n>>\n>> I am sure I was the cause of some interference this afternoon\n>> attempting to\n>> jump in after an exchange to get my call out there. I try however,\n>> if it\n>> appears that I with my 5W handheld and Arrow, are not making it\n>> through the\n>> current pileup, will wait 3 or 4 minutes until the pass has\n>> progressed some\n>> and try it again. Yes I know it is FM and I should not expect\n>> better but\n>> honestly I know it can be. Several times I heard a weak voice that\n>> sounded\n>> like a youth trying to get in but nobody paused enough to give the\n>> poor kid\n>> a shot. I made three Qs that pass but the kid got none and probably\n>> walked\n>> away thinking he had just wasted his time.\n>>\n>> I will be at a hamfest in a few weeks and plan to do a few\n>> demonstrations\n>> of FM satellite work with my Arrow there and know that many folks\n>> will just\n>> wag their heads and decide to never try at all because of the noise\n>> and\n>> disorganization.\n>>\n>> Another issue I hear is stations calling but not apparently hearing\n>> anything\n>> but they continue to call anyway and cause interference. A recent\n>> SO-50\n>> pass in the evening had 6 or seven stations calling but only one or\n>> two QSOs\n>> actually took place as nobody seemed to be listening to the right\n>> frequencies. I would request that the person who keeps up with the\n>> Satellite status pages on the AMSAT web site please post the reality\n>> the\n>> SO-50 downlink is really about 5Khz lower than the published\n>> 436.795. If\n>> that were really the case, than I should always be starting a pass\n>> on my\n>> handeld at 436.805 but if I go there, I hear nothing much and always\n>> end the\n>> pass way down at 436.780 instead of .785. Since we always recommend\n>> that\n>> new operators look to AMSAT.org for their basic information, it\n>> needs to be\n>> kept current. If the information is wrong then people have to go\n>> through\n>> the trial and error method to find out the truth.\n>>\n>> Hopefully these remarks will not offend but will serve to spur us\n>> all to\n>> improve the way we do things so others can too have a shot at\n>> making\n>> contacts.\n>>\n>> Tom Schuessler\n>> 2713 Lake Gardens Drive\n>> Irving, Texas 75060\n>> 972-986-7456\n>> 214-403-1464 (Cell)\n>> [email protected]\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>> _______________________________________________\n>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the\n>> author.\n>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n>> program!\n>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>> _______________________________________________\n>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the\n>> author.\n>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n>> program!\n>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>>\n>\n> ____________________________________________________________\n> $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings\n> Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access\n> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d62a99cef9ab4c9af8st01vuc\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n\n", "attachments": [] }