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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/NG25UR5NO5M755SAYRPLFXNAA7SYZ32W/", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/", "message_id": "CA+gmQJSaMOxi7HKa=6Sh32vEwQZMteB5FJPRnd=0tNYAmwMJdQ@mail.gmail.com", "message_id_hash": "NG25UR5NO5M755SAYRPLFXNAA7SYZ32W", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/2CINCSJRG7RUZPVXUMO2PNJTCVFQP4WD/", "sender": { "address": "tucker (a) mcguireland.com", "mailman_id": "8d7b3d7ed9344733b5b29ecfdc6591ba", "emails": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/sender/8d7b3d7ed9344733b5b29ecfdc6591ba/emails/" }, "sender_name": "Tucker McGuire", "subject": "Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Dupe contacts on SO-50", "date": "2017-04-17T18:56:40Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/2CINCSJRG7RUZPVXUMO2PNJTCVFQP4WD/", "children": [], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "You're correct Gabe.\n\n I don't want the new guy to miss out on a QSO because of these dupe\ncontacts on really busy passes. In my original email I said \"or perhaps\nprevented them from working a new guy that hasn't been on the satellites\nbefore\" I was not just referring to stations on in new rare grids (Not\neveryone chases grids). I've heard new guys just trying to get that first\ncontact get ignored before.\n\nCheers & 73,\nTucker\nW4FS\n\nOn Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Gabriel Zeifman <[email protected]>\nwrote:\n\n> >\n> > I think the issue Tucker raises is more when veteran sat ops try to\n> discuss their DXpedition to Pitcairn on a busy SO-50 pass. I think everyone\n> supports new blood, even when they fumble.\n> >\n> > 73,\n> > Gabe\n> > NJ7H\n> >\n> >> On Apr 17, 2017, at 1:08 PM, R.T.Liddy <[email protected]> wrote:\n> >>\n> >> Tucker W4FS,\n> >>\n> >>\n> >> First, you are far from being a curmudgeon! You'll have to put\n> >> in many years of crankiness before you can claim that title.\n> >>\n> >> You raise a point that has persisted for quite a while regarding\n> >> FM Satellites. Experienced operators usually follow the proper\n> >> protocol/etiquette on the single-channel resource. They rarely\n> >> chit-chat unless the bird is idle. As with anything else, newbies\n> >> are learning the ropes.\n> >>\n> >> The FM SATs, as we all know, are where the new folks start out\n> >> because they are easy due to readily available equipment. These\n> >> operators are trying to figure everything out at once - the frequencies,\n> >> the antennas, the PL, the AOS/LOS/AZ/EL, the protocol, etc., etc.\n> >>\n> >> Until they figure all of these things out, the rest of the users are\n> >> going to have to endure problems of various kinds. It's the utter\n> >> reality of the situation. However, they are the \"new blood\" that\n> >> we need to keep this aspect of the hobby growing.\n> >>\n> >> And, believe it or not, not all SAT Ops are Grid Chasers. Some only\n> >> care about the thrill of pointing a signal up toward the sky and\n> >> saying hello to someone via something flying through Space. We have\n> >> no choice but to co-exist in this environment. It is what it is.\n> >>\n> >> A good primer for new operators can be found on John K8YSE's website\n> >> at: http://www.papays.com/sat/general.html\n> >>\n> >> All we can do is be good examples for the new/other users. When someone\n> >> is operating from a rare Grid and we already have it confirmed, stay\n> clear. If the\n> >> pileup dies down and no one is calling, it's perfectly fine to say a\n> quick hello\n> >> to let them know they are being heard. During routine passes, if you\n> hear a new\n> >> Call, it's nice to give them a shout so they get the operating\n> experience.\n> >>\n> >> 73 & GL 2 All, Bob K8BL\n> >>\n> >> ________________________________\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>\n> >>>> On Apr 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Tucker McGuire <[email protected]>\n> wrote:\n> >>>\n> >>>\n> >>\n> >>> Hello space bird enthusiasts,\n> >>\n> >>>\n> >>\n> >>> I have noticed that certain stations on busy SO-50 passes work the same\n> >>\n> >>> stations that they have worked on many previous passes when they are\n> in the\n> >>\n> >>> same grid. Dupe contacts.\n> >>\n> >>>\n> >>\n> >>> This can prevent and has prevented other stations from trying to work\n> new\n> >>\n> >>> grids that happen to be on or perhaps prevented them from working a\n> new guy\n> >>\n> >>> that hasn't been on the satellites before. On quiet passes I see no\n> issues\n> >>\n> >>> with working the same station you've worked hundreds of times before\n> but on\n> >>\n> >>> busy SO-50 passes it is just disruptive.\n> >>\n> >>>\n> >>\n> >>> Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon but that's my two cents.\n> >>\n> >>>\n> >>\n> >>> Cheers & 73,\n> >>\n> >>> Tucker\n> >>\n> >>> W4FS\n> >>\n> >>> _______________________________________________\n> >>\n> >>> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\n> >>\n> >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.\n> Opinions expressed\n> >>\n> >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views\n> of AMSAT-NA.\n> >>\n> >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> program!\n> >>\n> >>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> >>\n> >> _______________________________________________\n> >>\n> >> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\n> >>\n> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.\n> Opinions expressed\n> >>\n> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views\n> of AMSAT-NA.\n> >>\n> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> program!\n> >>\n> >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> >> _______________________________________________\n> >> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\n> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.\n> Opinions expressed\n> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views\n> of AMSAT-NA.\n> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> program!\n> >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. 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