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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/PP4ABGVGHOIRBFOMDFHY3DTTFHDGKIDT/", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/", "message_id": "[email protected]", "message_id_hash": "PP4ABGVGHOIRBFOMDFHY3DTTFHDGKIDT", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/PP4ABGVGHOIRBFOMDFHY3DTTFHDGKIDT/", "sender": { "address": "gopal.madhavan (a) gmail.com", "mailman_id": null, "emails": null }, "sender_name": "Gopal Madhavan", "subject": "[amsat-bb] G5400B rotor maintenance", "date": "2009-09-12T05:41:16Z", "parent": null, "children": [], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "Adding to Alan's suggestions, may I suggest that when the screws holding the\ntwo halves are replaced, you use Allen head bolts as they are much easier to\nremove later. Hex bolts sometimes are difficult to get a spanner on. I have\ndone that for my rotors\n\nA source for repairs is RotorNorm, who has spares for all types of rotors\nand undertakes complete rebuilding if need be, but servicing these are quite\nsimple\n\nGopal VU2GMN\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On\nBehalf Of [email protected]\nSent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 08:13\nTo: [email protected]\nSubject: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 4, Issue 461\n\nSend AMSAT-BB mailing list submissions to\n\[email protected]\n\nTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit\n\thttp://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\nor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to\n\[email protected]\n\nYou can reach the person managing the list at\n\[email protected]\n\nWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific\nthan \"Re: Contents of AMSAT-BB digest...\"\n\n\nToday's Topics:\n\n 1. Re: G5400B rotor maintenance (Alan VE4YZ)\n 2. Re: Volunteered (W4ART Arthur Feller)\n 3. Re: Volunteered (Bill Ress)\n 4. How can I serve AMSAT today? (John P. Toscano)\n 5. Re: Volunteered (Rocky Jones)\n 6. Re: Volunteered (Joseph Armbruster)\n 7. handheld whip ([email protected])\n 8. Re: handheld whip (Dave Webb KB1PVH)\n 9. Re: handheld whip (George Henry)\n 10. Re: Volunteered (Rocky Jones)\n 11. Re: handheld whip (Tim - N3TL)\n 12. Re: GS232A & GS232B (codrut buda)\n 13. Re: Volunteered (Bill Ress)\n\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nMessage: 1\nDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:10:55 -0500\nFrom: \"Alan VE4YZ\" <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: G5400B rotor maintenance\nTo: <[email protected]>, \"'amsat-bb'\" <[email protected]>\nMessage-ID: <3B107D8E16B54EABA9433DE100A3DCF2@Athlon>\nContent-Type: text/plain;\tcharset=\"us-ascii\"\n\nFirst determine whether it is just a dirty or worn winding in the POT that\nis causing needle flicker. Run the rotator on the bench with an ohm meter\nacross A2 and A1, then A2 and A3 ( same numbering on the EL - see schematic\n) while running full rotation. Don't connect the 1,2, 3 terminals to the\ncontroller. If it is smooth and uniform 0-500 ohms there is nothing wrong\nin the rotators except your noise problem. I've found the AZ always noisier\nthan the EL.\n\nStoring the AZ upside down ( or in fact mounting it up side down as I once\ndid in error ) is big trouble as water will run into the ball race and\nprobably rust a few of the ball bearings and compromise the grease. They\ncan be replaced easily and new grease installed. That was probably your\nstuck rotator. It is probably all you need to do to get the noise problem\nresolved. It should at least be inspected to see what damage was done by\nstoring upside down exposed to the elements as dirt will have been cared in\nwith the rain.\n\nIt is not too difficult to get inside and snoop around. You can start my\njust removing the inspection plate to see the condition of the internal POT.\nMy experience is that the EL rarely needs to be opened up as it doesn't do\nmuch travelling - at most 180 degrees but I bet most folks don't flip their\nEL and so all it does is go up and down 90 degrees most of its life with far\nfewer jogs than the AZ.\n\nBelow is a link to a rebuild where I replaced many of the metric screws and\ndid a re-grease for our -40/+40C WX in EN19. The ball bearing were not\nreplaced as they were pristine. Make sure you have a place for metric\nmachine screws before you start to open up. The Home Depots in Canada had\nall the metric screws I needed. For Canadians contemplating a rebuild, I\nfound Canadian Tire had the largest selection of metric screws followed by\nRoma and then Home Depot. Auto suppliers will also have them for the\n\"foreign\" cars made in NA. \n\nhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ve4yz.alan/RotatorRebuild2009#\n\nGood luck... Alan\n\n\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On\nBehalf Of [email protected]\nSent: September 11, 2009 12:47 PM\nTo: amsat-bb\nSubject: [amsat-bb] G5400B rotor maintenance\n\nI recently picked up a G5400B AZ-EL rotor unit, which had been down on\nground for sometime. I recall it had been stored upside down outdoors. When\nI got it home and hooked it up in the shop, the Azmiuth rotor was stuck, but\nsome manual help, broke whatever was stuck loose and it started to operate,\neven abit noisy. The Elevation rotor is nice and quiet and works fine. I\nnotice now, after being used for afew weeks, that the noise is getting more\npronounced and also the meter indicator flickers, so I suspect water\nprobably got into the unit. \n\nWho does repair work on these rotors? I dont dare try it myself, as I know I\nwould end up with extra parts at the end of the day, even working in a tub.\nSo, would appreciate any help in finding a business that repairs these Yaesu\nrotors.. \n\nJohn W6ZKH \n\n\n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 2\nDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:26:14 -0400\nFrom: W4ART Arthur Feller <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered\nTo: Rocky Jones <[email protected]>\nCc: [email protected], Amsat BB <[email protected]>\nMessage-ID: <[email protected]>\nContent-Type: text/plain;\tcharset=us-ascii;\tformat=flowed;\ndelsp=yes\n\nRobert,\n\nHurling questions and accusations is easy, but, doesn't seem to help. \nKeeping up with what's going on (the information IS available) and \nPARTICIPATING in the work will provide a solid platform from which to \nspeak.\n\nDive in!\n\nAnd, let's try to keep the discussion constructive.\n\n73, art.....\nW4ART/3 Washington DC\nLM 113\n\n\nOn 11-Sep-2009, at 2:30 PM, Rocky Jones wrote:\n\n>\n> Bob\n>\n> What has been remarkable about this thread, is that it has shown how \n> dysfunctional AMSAT NA is.\n>\n> Forget satelllite construction etc...people point out problems with \n> the web site and next thing you have is someone explaining who can \n> and cannot comment on the state of the organization (to paraphrase \n> \"we dont need weak volunteers who are discouraged by no real method \n> of being able to volunteer one has to earn the right to be \n> critical...\")\n>\n> Forget the ability to answer serious questions like (and I know its \n> annoying) \"how was the suitsat 2 program allowed to not meet the \n> ability to use the \"suits\".\n>\n> And from what I can tell no one has a clue why Suitsat 1 failed (I \n> know it was a glorious success by just deploying) much less how to \n> avoid a repeat of that with a much more complicated followon which \n> is now functionally a new satellite.\n>\n> And of course the whole concept of board meetings which really are \n> not is entertaining.\n>\n> The answers are \"you cannot criticize \"us\" we are working 16 to 18 \n> hour days doing things that no one else will do\"...\n>\n> and then one wonders why donations are at an all time low.\n>\n> Robert WB5MZO Amsat NA life member\n>\n>\n>\n> _________________________________________________________________\n> Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online.\n>\nhttp://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON\n:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the \n> author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite \n> program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\nWhat we can do is to live out our lives as best we can with purpose, \nand with love, and with joy. We can use each day to show those who \nare closest to us how much we care about them, and treat others with \nthe kindness and respect that we wish for ourselves. We can learn \nfrom our mistakes and grow from our failures. And we can strive at \nall costs to make a better world, so that someday, if we are blessed \nwith the chance to look back on our time here, we know that we spent \nit well; that we made a difference; that our fleeting presence had a \nlasting impact on the lives of others.\n - Barak \nObama, 29 Aug 2009\n\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 3\nDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:38:32 -0700\nFrom: Bill Ress <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered\nTo: Rocky Jones <[email protected]>\nCc: [email protected], Amsat BB <[email protected]>\nMessage-ID: <[email protected]>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed\n\n\n\nRocky Jones wrote:\n> Bob\n> \n> What has been remarkable about this thread, is that it has shown how\ndysfunctional AMSAT NA is.\n> \n> Forget satelllite \nIt's satellite - by the way!\nconstruction etc...people point out problems with the web site and next \nthing you have is someone explaining who can and cannot comment on the \nstate of the organization (to paraphrase \"we dont need weak volunteers \nwho are discouraged by no real method of being able to volunteer one \nhas to earn the right to be critical...\")\n> \n> Forget the ability to answer serious questions like (and I know its\nannoying) As a team memb\"how was the suitsat 2 program allowed to not meet\nthe ability to use the \"suits\".\n\nAs a SuitSat team member, I gave you a brief answer offline and offered \nto get more detail if you so desired. You didn't respond. It's obvious \nto me that you really don't want an answer, You just want to be a \nboring, broken record.\n\nSo I'll repeat the simple answer, here, why we missed the suit launch. \nListen up.\n\nThe SuitSat team is made up entirely of volunteers who have real jobs, \nfamilies, and other responsibilities. Hey, we're just pursuing our \nAmateur radio HOBBY - not a professional job. Some of you folks talk \nlike we're a Loral or Lockheed. Did you critics forget that Amateur \nradio satellites are a hobby - not a business?\n\nWell, by golly, along the way technical challenges delayed progress. \nJobs and families got in the way. Son of a gun - we missed schedules. \nI'm not offering excuses, just offering the reality of having folks on \nthe team that aren't getting paid for their fantastic efforts.\n\nSure, it's not nice to have technical issues show up or to miss \nschedules but in the scheme of things, what have we lost - except maybe \ncreditability in YOUR eyes. We now have a new satellite structure more \nsuited for what we are trying to do technically - called ARRISat.\n\nThe way you've been carrying on, I am so very glad we don't have you \nvolunteering - even to stuff envelopes. You'd probably say that we were \ndoing that wrong too. Personally, I thought that refunding your AMSAT \nlife membership would make me feel better, but on further reflection, \nAMSAT should just keep your money since it is helping fund efforts to \nserve it's members who appreciate what volunteers are trying to do for \nthem and their hobby.\n\nAnd if you think any of your comments have caused the ARRISat team to \nmiss a beat on the way to our 2010 launch, then think again. This team \nhas tackled and solved technical challenges more significant for the \nfuture of AMSAT and its members, than ANY of the issues you raise.\n\nRegards...Bill - N6GHz\n\n> \n> And from what I can tell no one has a clue why Suitsat 1 failed (I know it\nwas a glorious success by just deploying) much less how to avoid a repeat\nof that with a much more complicated followon which is now functionally a\nnew satellite.\n> \n> And of course the whole concept of board meetings which really are not is\nentertaining.\n> \n> The answers are \"you cannot criticize \"us\" we are working 16 to 18 hour\ndays doing things that no one else will do\"...\n> \n> and then one wonders why donations are at an all time low.\n> \n> Robert WB5MZO Amsat NA life member\n> \n> \n> \n> _________________________________________________________________\n> Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online.\n>\nhttp://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON\n:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> \n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 4\nDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:49:00 -0500\nFrom: \"John P. Toscano\" <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] How can I serve AMSAT today?\nTo: [email protected]\nMessage-ID: <[email protected]>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed\n\nRather than tacking on more replies to the depressing multitude of \narguments back and forth that have degenerated to the level of \nname-calling, let's try something that is actually POSITIVE for a change.\n\nThe AMSAT web pages have tons of information on them. One of the big \nproblems of having such a vast store of information is the impossibility \nof one or a small number of volunteers keeping it all current and up to \ndate. Please trust me on this. I am the lone webmaster for another radio \norganization, and I KNOW from personal experience how hard it is to keep \nthe thing going properly. I have admitted publicly on several occasions \nthat I appreciate feedback, and will do my best to make repairs when \nerrors or omissions or outdated information is detected. Unlike the \nexperience with the AMSAT volunteers, however, I have actually received \nhonest-to-goodness POSITIVE feedback from folks, and it has helped me \nenormously to fix at least the worst shortcomings of the site I have \nvolunteered to maintain. I've even had a few people say \"Thank You!\" to \nme, and it sure feels good to know that my efforts are appreciated, even \nif they don't match up to my own standards of what I wish I could do.\n\nSo, here's the challenge to EVERY BLEEPING ONE OF YOU who are now \nreading this message:\n\n1) Find something on the AMSAT web site that needs fixing. According\n to all the flak that's been flying about, that should be no hard\n task, right?\n\n2) Write up a SOLUTION to the problem. Broken link? Find a new link.\n Misspelling? Write down the correction. Poor grammar? Re-write the\n sentence or paragraph to improve it. Outdated info? Find the newer\n info. Etc., etc. I think you get the idea.\n\n3) Go to the \"bad\" web page in question, and at the bottom, click on\n the link to report \"bugs\" in the web page. I realize (as I am also\n a programmer among my multiple self-taught skills) that the above\n mentioned things are not \"bugs\" in the programming sense, but on\n the other hand, most of the AMSAT pages don't actually compute\n something that a bug would cause to be mis-computed, so I submit that\n the original intent of the author was to use this link to report\n ANY flaw(s) in the page, not only programming errors. If the\n original author wants to contest that point of view, she is welcome\n to come forward and say so in this public forum.\n\n4) Fill out the form that will pop up, including your description of\n the problem AND the solution that you found or created. Hit the\n SEND button.\n\n5) Wait a very short time, and if you did your part well, I am willing\n to bet money that you will find that the web page gets fixed.\n\nThere were several things on the Satellite Status pages that annoyed me. \nHaving had enough of the troll-feeding, I decided to follow steps 1 \nthrough 5, and, lo and behold, those annoying problems are now history.\n\nI seriously doubt that the prompt action by Drew to my \"website bug \nreports\" had anything to do with the esteem in which the organization \nholds me, as I am usually lurking around quietly, and saying/doing \nnothing to make my existence even known to AMSAT. I am about as close to \nan unknown member as you can get, yet still be the author of an article \nthat was published in an issue of the AMSAT Journal once upon a time. I \ntherefore submit that if it worked for me, it will likely also work for you.\n\nDon't believe it?\nGo ahead, try to prove me wrong. I dare you.\nAnd have a nice day while you try.\n\n73 de W?JT\nAMSAT-NA LM #2292\n\nP.S., don't think that the \"Life Member\" status got me any special \nattention, either. It just means that if they spent my one-time life \nmembership fee on cheap whiskey and expensive women, they will have only \nthe memories of that experience to enjoy, they don't get to send me a \nbill every year to renew my membership so they can do it all over again!\n >grin<\n\nP.P.S., a hearty THANK YOU to all the people who make this hobby \npossible, especially those who are currently getting flamed recently.\n\n/* jpt */\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 5\nDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:50:10 -0500\nFrom: Rocky Jones <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered\nTo: <[email protected]>\nCc: [email protected], Amsat BB <[email protected]>\nMessage-ID: <[email protected]>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"iso-8859-1\"\n\n\nBill. I think I owe you the favor of an apology, if you sent me something\noff line and I didnt reply to it. Sorry.\n\nI will check back and make sure that 1) it didnt by accident go into junk\nmail and 2) I just didnt miss it in the regular folders.\n\nWe had quite a crush of email over the last few weeks...my wife and I had\nshotgunned out a \"we are pregnant\" email...and I might have just missed it.\n\nI'll look for it tonight...\n\nRobert WB5MZO\n\n> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:38:32 -0700\n> From: [email protected]\n> To: [email protected]\n> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]\n> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered\n> \n> \n> \n> Rocky Jones wrote:\n> > Bob\n> > \n> > What has been remarkable about this thread, is that it has shown how\ndysfunctional AMSAT NA is.\n> > \n> > Forget satelllite \n> It's satellite - by the way!\n> construction etc...people point out problems with the web site and next \n> thing you have is someone explaining who can and cannot comment on the \n> state of the organization (to paraphrase \"we dont need weak volunteers \n> who are discouraged by no real method of being able to volunteer one \n> has to earn the right to be critical...\")\n> > \n> > Forget the ability to answer serious questions like (and I know its\nannoying) As a team memb\"how was the suitsat 2 program allowed to not meet\nthe ability to use the \"suits\".\n> \n> As a SuitSat team member, I gave you a brief answer offline and offered \n> to get more detail if you so desired. You didn't respond. It's obvious \n> to me that you really don't want an answer, You just want to be a \n> boring, broken record.\n> \n> So I'll repeat the simple answer, here, why we missed the suit launch. \n> Listen up.\n> \n> The SuitSat team is made up entirely of volunteers who have real jobs, \n> families, and other responsibilities. Hey, we're just pursuing our \n> Amateur radio HOBBY - not a professional job. Some of you folks talk \n> like we're a Loral or Lockheed. Did you critics forget that Amateur \n> radio satellites are a hobby - not a business?\n> \n> Well, by golly, along the way technical challenges delayed progress. \n> Jobs and families got in the way. Son of a gun - we missed schedules. \n> I'm not offering excuses, just offering the reality of having folks on \n> the team that aren't getting paid for their fantastic efforts.\n> \n> Sure, it's not nice to have technical issues show up or to miss \n> schedules but in the scheme of things, what have we lost - except maybe \n> creditability in YOUR eyes. We now have a new satellite structure more \n> suited for what we are trying to do technically - called ARRISat.\n> \n> The way you've been carrying on, I am so very glad we don't have you \n> volunteering - even to stuff envelopes. You'd probably say that we were \n> doing that wrong too. Personally, I thought that refunding your AMSAT \n> life membership would make me feel better, but on further reflection, \n> AMSAT should just keep your money since it is helping fund efforts to \n> serve it's members who appreciate what volunteers are trying to do for \n> them and their hobby.\n> \n> And if you think any of your comments have caused the ARRISat team to \n> miss a beat on the way to our 2010 launch, then think again. This team \n> has tackled and solved technical challenges more significant for the \n> future of AMSAT and its members, than ANY of the issues you raise.\n> \n> Regards...Bill - N6GHz\n> \n> > \n> > And from what I can tell no one has a clue why Suitsat 1 failed (I know\nit was a glorious success by just deploying) much less how to avoid a\nrepeat of that with a much more complicated followon which is now\nfunctionally a new satellite.\n> > \n> > And of course the whole concept of board meetings which really are not\nis entertaining.\n> > \n> > The answers are \"you cannot criticize \"us\" we are working 16 to 18 hour\ndays doing things that no one else will do\"...\n> > \n> > and then one wonders why donations are at an all time low.\n> > \n> > Robert WB5MZO Amsat NA life member\n> > \n> > \n> > \n> > _________________________________________________________________\n> > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online.\n> >\nhttp://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON\n:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009\n> > _______________________________________________\n> > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\nprogram!\n> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> > \n\n_________________________________________________________________\nWith Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos.\nhttp://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 6\nDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:20:44 -0400\nFrom: Joseph Armbruster <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered\nTo: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],\n\[email protected], Amsat BB <[email protected]>\nMessage-ID:\n\t<[email protected]>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252\n\nI've been following this thread passively until now, so brace yourself\nbecause I have quite a few things to say. I'm 28 and a reasonably new ham,\nKJ4JIO (you can look me up but it may require a few mouse clicks...). I'm\nstill very new to Amsat and don't know many of you by name or face yet (and\nthat's probably for the better). I've had the opportunity to meet a couple\nof you here in Orlando, chatting to a few of you through email and talking\nto some of you over the phone.\n\nI first heard about Amsat here in Orlando at a LMARS meeting, where one of\nyour members put on a satellite communications demo. This was quite\npossible one of the coolest experiences of my life. Before this, I had no\nidea that there were so many amateur satellites up in the sky available for\nuse. I had no clue that with minimal equipment I could use them. How cool\nis that, really!?! I didn't know any of this was possible for me to get\ninvolved in at any level. Maybe it's just another day at the job for some\nof you but it's definitely not for me (i'm a bored software guy at work).\n At the demo, I noticed that the presenter was putting on the presentation:\n\n- on his own time\n- with his own equipment\n- for well over an hour long\n- probably after a lengthy drive\n- had an enthusiastic attitude\n- didn't complain that the pass was on the horizon and difficult to work\n\nIf it wasn't for this voluntary effort, I wouldn't be here right now :-)\n\nThat's my history, now on to my main point. It seems like most of the\nbitter sentiment on the thread has been targeted at the amsat website, it's\nproduction, how things get done, etc... In my experience in software, being\npissed off at something opens up an excellent opportunity for corrective\naction. I get pissed of at code all the time, maybe my code, other peoples\ncode, doesn't matter... I complain about it, make fun of it, laugh at it for\na few seconds, and when i'm done doing that I *FIX IT*.\n\nLast night, I spoke to Gould about the history of the website and some\nrelated things to get a feel for why things are the way they are. I have\nalso been gathering ideas and suggestions from various interested parties on\nthe bb. I put together my own list of complaints* in addition to\ndescriptions of what I would do to improve each of them*. I set up a\nprototype mediawiki server, although i've retired it and am attempting to\nsee if Joomla would be a little more user friendly on the composition end of\nthings. There are definitely wheels spinning in an effort to improve the\nsituation. The reality of the website situation is what always happens in\nthe software world:\n- software gets outdated\n- it becomes to hard to maintain\n- people move on to other things\n- the END USER SUFFERS\nPlease note, i'm not criticizing anyones work on the website here. I'm\ncertain they did they best with the resources and time they had available\nwhen the work was being done. I'm convinced what we're experiencing here is\na standard software development life cycle issue, which should not take much\nwork to improve.\n\nIf you have website suggestions, i'd encourage you please pass them on. By\nsuggestion, I mean something more helpful than \"the website sucks\". A good\nexample is this:\n\"Instead of having a Tools, Status and Passes link off the main page, make\none button called \"Satellite Tracking\" and put all these types of things\nwithin it. This would help clean up the main page a bit\".\n\nI'm very interested (and I know others are too) in getting this type of\ninput and feedback.\n\nThank You,\nJoseph Armbrruster, KJ4JIO\n\nOn Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Rocky Jones <[email protected]> wrote:\n\n>\n> Actually no. What happens (in the case of Hubble) is people who asked\n> annoying questions like \"is the mirror ground correctly\" were told about\nthe\n> same thing...ie sit down and shut up.\n>\n> Same thing with the Mars proble where they got the \"units\" off and\n> reentered the thing.\n>\n> People who ask questions which the leadership does not want to hear are\n> frequently sent out with the same lines Bob uses. Ask the people at NASA\n> who said \"what damage did the foam do when it hit the orbiter.\" Linda Ham\n> had just about Bob's answers.\n>\n> Robert WB5MZO\n>\n> > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:15:34 -0700\n> > From: [email protected]\n> > To: [email protected]\n> > CC: [email protected]; [email protected]\n> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered\n> >\n> > Bob,When they stand in front of the mirror, it will break\n> >\n> > WB5EKU\n> >\n> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:50 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:\n> >\n> > > Only if people end this nearly useless thread. This ground is so\n> beaten\n> > > down it is not funny. Member dues and most of their donations do not\n> buy a\n> > > single component. But to live to fight another day and to keep \"those\n> who\n> > > can\" thinking about things to do for those \"those who use\" and even\n> \"those\n> > > who mostly whine and do nothing at all except whine\" these member\n> donations\n> > > are vital to the organization's health.\n> > >\n> > > The amsat organization is undergoing some reorg. Lots of different\n> faces on\n> > > the board and different faces in engineering even with our inability\nto\n> get\n> > > a significant launch speaks well for the potential of the\norganization.\n> > >\n> > > I think personally that those who complain should go stand in front of\n> the\n> > > mirror and ask themselves\n> > >\n> > > 1) what have I personally done for the organization lately?\n> > > 2) follow that with \"Am I part of the problem or the solution?\"\n> > >\n> > > Bob\n> > > LM N4HY\n> > >\n> > > ------Original Message------\n> > > From: Randy\n> > > Sender: [email protected]\n> > > To: amsat bb\n> > > ReplyTo: [email protected]\n> > > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered\n> > > Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:46 PM\n> > >\n> > > Bruce filled me in on where a lot of the \"donations\" go..\n> > >\n> > > Couple others beat me up .. LOL\n> > >\n> > > So is there a win-win on this topic ?\n> > >\n> > > Randy\n> > >\n> > >\n> > > _______________________________________________\n> > > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the\n> author.\n> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> program!\n> > > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> > >\n> > >\n> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry\n> > >\n> > > _______________________________________________\n> > > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the\n> author.\n> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> program!\n> > > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> > >\n> > _______________________________________________\n> > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> program!\n> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n> _________________________________________________________________\n> Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on\n> Facebook.\n>\n>\nhttp://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON\n:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 7\nDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:01:51 +0000 (UTC)\nFrom: [email protected]\nSubject: [amsat-bb] handheld whip\nTo: [email protected]\nMessage-ID:\n\t\n<341120789.277981252710111614.JavaMail.root@sz0126a.emeryville.ca.mail.comca\nst.net>\n\t\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8\n\n\n\nWhat is the 2/440 whip antenna that we can use on a handheld for AO-51, I\ncan't remember/find it. \n\n73 Bob W7LRD \n\n\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 8\nDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:09:49 +0000\nFrom: \"Dave Webb KB1PVH\" <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: handheld whip\nTo: [email protected], [email protected],\t\"AMSAT BB\"\n\t<[email protected]>\nMessage-ID:\n\t\n<1147052700-1252710589-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1221195430-@\nbda400.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>\n\t\nContent-Type: text/plain\n\n Bob, \n\nIt is a Pryme AL-800 telescoping whip. About $35 at HRO. \n\n\nDave KB1PVH\n\n\n\n\n\n\n------Original Message------\nFrom: [email protected]\nSender: [email protected]\nTo: AMSAT BB\nSubject: [amsat-bb] handheld whip\nSent: Sep 11, 2009 7:01 PM\n\n\n\nWhat is the 2/440 whip antenna that we can use on a handheld for AO-51, I\ncan't remember/find it. \n\n73 Bob W7LRD \n\n\n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n\nSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 9\nDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:19:12 -0500\nFrom: \"George Henry\" <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: handheld whip\nTo: \"amsat bb\" <[email protected]>\nMessage-ID: <AAD0DB9C6AC84D0DAB0D7047F39C7F71@parents>\nContent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=\"iso-8859-1\";\n\treply-type=original\n\nPryme AL-800?\n\n\n----- Original Message ----- \nFrom: <[email protected]>\nTo: <[email protected]>\nSent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:01 PM\nSubject: [amsat-bb] handheld whip\n\n\n>\n>\n> What is the 2/440 whip antenna that we can use on a handheld for AO-51, I \n> can't remember/find it.\n>\n> 73 Bob W7LRD\n>\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb \n\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 10\nDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:13:00 -0500\nFrom: Rocky Jones <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered\nTo: <[email protected]>\nCc: [email protected], Amsat BB <[email protected]>\nMessage-ID: <[email protected]>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"iso-8859-1\"\n\n\nBill. As I noted earlier I do owe you the favor of an apology. You did\nsend me an email and regretfully it got routed where I did not see it....\n\nI read your piece(s).\n\nWhat to say. You folks bit off more then you could chew and missed a\ndeadline. That is a foundation of project management no matter if it is\npaid or unpaid. Try and explain it all one wants it means someone (or\ngroup) is not capable of good project management.\n\nI assume that you and the team are confident you can make the next\ndeployment dates...?\n\nRobert WB5MZO\n\n_________________________________________________________________\nHotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. \nhttp://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:W\nM_HYGN_faster:082009\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 11\nDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:28:42 -0700 (PDT)\nFrom: Tim - N3TL <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: handheld whip\nTo: George Henry <[email protected]>, amsat bb <[email protected]>\nMessage-ID: <[email protected]>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii\n\nThe Pryme RD-98 also works well, and it about the same price. My favorite of\nall, however, based on my testing (and I've used the AL-800, RD-98 and\nseveral others) is the Diamond RH-789 (BNC connector; SRH-789 with an SMA\nconnector) telescoping whip. It's a bit less expensive than the AL-800, but\nis extremely wide band. In addition to performing well on the FM satellites,\nit really surprised me at how it performed on the shortwave broadcast bands\non a variety of radios.\n\nTo Bob - I suspect the AL-800 is the one you're thinking of. It's probably\nthe most popular and well-known, but there are others out there that also\nperform quite well.\n\nThe Smiley dual-band telescoping whip is another. Patrick, WD9EWK, sent me\none to try out - and I wore out AO-27 on the first pass I used it ... hihi.\nHad seven contacts, which is good for an HT and a whip given the short\nwindow for 27.\n\n73 to all,\n\nTim - N3TL\n\n\n\n\n________________________________\nFrom: George Henry <[email protected]>\nTo: amsat bb <[email protected]>\nSent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:19:12 PM\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: handheld whip\n\nPryme AL-800?\n\n\n----- Original Message ----- \nFrom: <[email protected]>\nTo: <[email protected]>\nSent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:01 PM\nSubject: [amsat-bb] handheld whip\n\n\n>\n>\n> What is the 2/440 whip antenna that we can use on a handheld for AO-51, I \n> can't remember/find it.\n>\n> 73 Bob W7LRD\n>\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb \n\n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 12\nDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:55:56 -0700 (PDT)\nFrom: codrut buda <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: GS232A & GS232B\nTo: Graham Shirville <[email protected]>, PE0SAT\n\t<[email protected]>\nCc: [email protected]\nMessage-ID: <[email protected]>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1\n\nThe same commands to controllers for bot GS232A & GS232B protocols, but\ndiferent answers from controllers for position request:\nGS-232A - answer?to C2 command is +0aaa+0eee\nGS-232B - answer?to C2 command is AZ=aaa EL=eee\nGS-232A - answer?to C command is +0aaa\nGS-232B - answer?to C command is AZ=aaa\nGS-232A - answer?to B?command is +0eee\nGS-232B - answer?to?B command is EL=eee\nMaybe you can find other differences, but only these were interesting for me\nwhen I wrote my software for rotators control -\nhttp://www.qsl.net/yo3dmu/index_Page346.htm?\n?\n73, Codrut - YO3DMU\n\n--- On Fri, 9/11/09, PE0SAT <[email protected]> wrote:\n\n\nFrom: PE0SAT <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: GS232A & GS232B\nTo: \"Graham Shirville\" <[email protected]>\nCc: [email protected]\nDate: Friday, September 11, 2009, 8:45 AM\n\n\n\nOn Fri, September 11, 2009 15:08, Graham Shirville wrote:\n\nHi Graham,\n\n> Hi,\n>\n> Would someone please be so kind as to explain the precise difference\n> between the two protocols GS232A and GS232B?\n>\n> I am missing something obvious I expect but..\n\nIf you get an answer direct, would you please send it me also?\n\n>\n> thanks\n>\n> Graham\n> G3VZV\n\n\n73's Jan - PE0SAT\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n\n\n \n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 13\nDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:43:00 -0700\nFrom: Bill Ress <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered\nTo: Rocky Jones <[email protected]>\nCc: [email protected], Amsat BB <[email protected]>\nMessage-ID: <[email protected]>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed\n\nHello Rocky,\n\nApology accepted.\n\nWell, you are indeed fully entitled to your opinion, but I would submit \nthat until you walk in the shoes of the ARRISat team members who are \nbusting their pick to try and do the right thing for the members, maybe, \njust maybe, you should temper your judgment about their abilities and \nshort comings given that without their very best intentioned efforts \nyou'd have nothing to complain about and Amateurs wouldn't have a new \nsatellite to look forward to. If our best efforts are not considered to \nbe good enough by a few, we are encouraged by the many out there, who \nstill cheer us on. And since those cheering far out number our \ndetractors, then Robert, the ARRISat team is moving full speed ahead \nwithout you on our side.\n\nYes, you have assumed correctly, that it is our plan to proceed to the \ndeployment date with confidence.\n\nRegards...Bill - N6GHz\n\nRocky Jones wrote:\n> Bill. As I noted earlier I do owe you the favor of an apology. You did \n> send me an email and regretfully it got routed where I did not see it....\n> \n> I read your piece(s).\n> \n> What to say. You folks bit off more then you could chew and missed a \n> deadline. That is a foundation of project management no matter if it is \n> paid or unpaid. Try and explain it all one wants it means someone (or \n> group) is not capable of good project management.\n> \n> I assume that you and the team are confident you can make the next \n> deployment dates...?\n> \n> Robert WB5MZO\n> \n> ------------------------------------------------------------------------\n> Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it \n> now. \n>\n<http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:\nWM_HYGN_faster:082009>\n\n\n------------------------------\n\n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nhttp://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n\nEnd of AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 4, Issue 461\n****************************************\n\n", "attachments": [] }