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        "address": "rogerkola (a) aol.com",
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    "sender_name": "Roger Kolakowski",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: ARRL    VUCC",
    "date": "2008-10-07T00:31:46Z",
    "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/X2Q4ER4VMDPR366ZMERBMK62BXASMQGD/?format=api",
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    "content": "Jim noted:\n\n\"...I was disappointed by N3TL's  email posting on the AMSAT  BB today\nconcerning ARRL's  VUCC program as it applies to satellite operating...\"\n\n\nAs I read it...you were disappointed with the ARRL and not N3TL's\nquestioning. I too worked through Gus Browning and Don Miller...\n\nIf the league has a legitimate question...as in the intersections are in a\n\"lake\" \"ocean\" or side of a \"shear cliff\" they should request documentation\nfrom the \"DXpeditioner\" for some sort of proof...\n\nGPS would be the ultimate, but 360 degrees of pictures from a camera could\nbe the standard. (Next they would want recordings to make sure there aren't\nany \"Ghost\" contacts.)\n\nARRL is not capable of overseeing Satellite contacts and awards...they\nreally don't care about satellites...\n\nVUCC satellite should be an AMSAT function so that those who understand the\nhobby can judge the hobby!\n\nRoger\nWA1KAT\n\n----- Original Message -----\nFrom: \"Jim Danehy\" <[email protected]>\nTo: <[email protected]>\nSent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:58 AM\nSubject: [amsat-bb] ARRL VUCC\n\n\n> I was disappointed by N3TL's  email posting on the AMSAT  BB today\nconcerning ARRL's  VUCC program as it applies to satellite operating.\n>\n> I have been an ARRL member for 55 years. I have VUCC on both 6 meters and\n2 meters. I also am on the ARRL  DXCC  Honor Roll and I have the ARRL  #1\nHonor Roll plaque for having worked all the DXCC countries.  I have been\naround for awhile. I remember very well the Gus Browning , W4BPD  QSLs from\nplaces that he never operated from or had permission to operate from. I also\nremember problems that the league had with Don Miller, W9WNV for the same\nreason in their DXCC  program.\n>\n> I recently got back on the satellites (was on in 1974 through 1976). In\nabout 6 weeks I have worked over 130 Grid Squares. My goal is a VUCC on the\nsatellites. Some of those have been Grid Expeditions. Not so certain now\nthat I want to continue to expand my efforts and money (SASE and outgoing\npostage) only to have the league question the legitimacy of those\noperations.\n>\n> Does the ARRL question the \"Rovers\" that take part in the ARRL   VHF\ncontests ? I am unaware of any of those operations from rare grids being\nchallenged or disallowed. Someone please correct me if I am in error on that\nopinion.\n>\n> I had been planning to do some grid expeditions myself. There should be\nsome communication and understanding by the league that is missing at this\ntime. It is a shame that there is inconsistency and selective application of\ndocumentation and confirmation standards of where you were operating from.\n>\n> Disappointed but not surprised by the ARRL's   AD  HOC  rule enforcement.\n>\n> Jim W9VNE\n> EM79tb   Cincinnati, Ohio\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n\n",
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