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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/QMA3YOQX25MSPMLHQXKM2NQNHBGHOJFZ/?format=api",
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    "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/MJGIOH7HVXL7HITGFVZWEEHTWKTIRPXP/?format=api",
    "sender": {
        "address": "devin (a) thecabal.org",
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    "sender_name": "Devin L. Ganger",
    "subject": "Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots",
    "date": "2018-07-18T05:46:27Z",
    "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/GESCFIZNPWL6LULX42QJG67CPLEVQH4X/?format=api",
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    "content": "I, for one, want to spend AMSAT $$$ on satellites and ground terminals, not voting systems.\r\n\r\nMaybe I'm crazy.\r\n\r\n\r\n--\r\nDevin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)\r\nemail: [email protected]\r\nweb: Devin on Earth\r\ncell: +1 425.239.2575\r\n\r\n> -----Original Message-----\r\n> From: AMSAT-BB <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Frank\r\n> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:40 PM\r\n> To: [email protected]\r\n> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots\r\n> \r\n> If electronic ballots are good enough for the major investment firms board of\r\n> directors elections, I can't imagine they would not be good enough for\r\n> AMSAT.\r\n> \r\n> Frank\r\n> K6FW\r\n> On 7/17/18 9:55 PM, Eric Fort wrote:\r\n> > The basic problem with electronic voting is proving who is behind the\r\n> keyboard and tracing the data with integrity such that each voter only casts\r\n> one ballot. With paper ballots this is possible. What is done is the paper ballot\r\n> is placed in an envelope that is signed by the voter. The signature and\r\n> registration info can then be compared on receipt, verifying that one and\r\n> only one ballot was cast by that specific voter. The ballot is then separated\r\n> from the envelope to be counted assuring the anonymity of the voter. In the\r\n> digital realm one can not have anonymity, traceability, and verifiablity\r\n> simultaneously. These are mathematically proven therems and entire papers\r\n> and PhD thesis’s have been written on this topic proving this exact thing. Do\r\n> the research.  Paper verified ballots really are the only way.\r\n> >\r\n> > Eric\r\n> > Af6ep\r\n> >\r\n> > Sent using SMTP.\r\n> >\r\n> >> On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Mike Diehl <[email protected]> wrote:\r\n> >>\r\n> >> Disagree. There are online services that are just as, if not more, secure as\r\n> your medical information or where you spend your money. Going to print\r\n> with anything takes a lot more work than simply providing some options to a\r\n> voting service. Then there’s postage. Online is also more convenient, you can\r\n> pretty much do it anytime, anywhere you want. Think of it like LOTW for\r\n> QSLs, saves a ton in paper, postage and trips to the post.\r\n> >>\r\n> >> Last but not least is I don’t see a real threat of people “hacking” the\r\n> elections for jobs that don’t pay and are full of criticism.\r\n> >>\r\n> >> 73,\r\n> >> Mike Diehl\r\n> >> W8LID\r\n> >>\r\n> >>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 19:44, Eric Fort <[email protected]>\r\n> wrote:\r\n> >>>\r\n> >>> Let’s not get into electronic voting. Too much opportunity to “hack the\r\n> vote”.   It’s unfortunate that an error was made and not caught prior to\r\n> printing and mailing but electronic voting is not the answer.\r\n> >>>\r\n> >>> Eric\r\n> >>> Af6ep\r\n> >>>\r\n> >>> Sent using SMTP.\r\n> >>>\r\n> >>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Gabriel Zeifman\r\n> <[email protected]> wrote:\r\n> >>>>\r\n> >>>> How unfortunate that our cash strapped, technology oriented\r\n> >>>> organization is having to waste so much money to print and mail two\r\n> >>>> sets of paper ballots to each and every member. Seems to me that\r\n> >>>> electronic voting would save the organization money, make voting\r\n> >>>> more secure and efficient, prevent mishaps such as this, and\r\n> >>>> prevent some members from not receiving ballots like last year.\r\n> >>>>\r\n> >>>> 73,\r\n> >>>> Gabe\r\n> >>>> AL6D/VE6NJH\r\n> >>>>\r\n> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 2:33 PM Clayton Coleman W5PFG\r\n> <[email protected]> wrote:\r\n> >>>>>\r\n> >>>>> Due to a printing error, the beige-colored ballots mailed to\r\n> >>>>> AMSAT-NA members for the 2018 Board of Directors election on July\r\n> >>>>> 15, 2018 have been declared void. Any of these voided ballots\r\n> >>>>> received at the AMSAT-NA office will not be counted.\r\n> >>>>>\r\n> >>>>> New ballots, labeled “CORRECTED BALLOT 7/20/2018” and printed on\r\n> >>>>> yellow-colored cardstock will be mailed to all AMSAT-NA members.\r\n> >>>>>\r\n> >>>>> Please vote for no more than three of the 2018 candidates:\r\n> >>>>> Tom Clark, K3IO\r\n> >>>>> Mark Hammond, N8MH\r\n> >>>>> Scott Harvey, KA7FVV\r\n> >>>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO\r\n> >>>>> Peter Portanova, W2JV\r\n> >>>>>\r\n> >>>>> The Directors positions will go to the three candidates receiving\r\n> >>>>> the highest number of votes. In addition, there will be two\r\n> >>>>> alternate members chosen, based on the next highest number of\r\n> votes received.\r\n> >>>>>\r\n> >>>>> 73,\r\n> >>>>> Clayton\r\n> >>>>> W5PFG\r\n> >>>>> AMSAT-NA Corporate Secretary\r\n> >>>>> _______________________________________________\r\n> >>>>> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum\r\n> >>>>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring\r\n> >>>>> membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and\r\n> >>>>> do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.\r\n> >>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur\r\n> satellite program!\r\n> >>>>> Subscription settings:\r\n> >>>>> http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\r\n> >>>>>\r\n> >>>> _______________________________________________\r\n> >>>> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum\r\n> >>>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring\r\n> >>>> membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and\r\n> do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.\r\n> >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\r\n> program!\r\n> >>>> Subscription settings:\r\n> >>>> http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\r\n> >>> _______________________________________________\r\n> >>> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum\r\n> >>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring\r\n> >>> membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do\r\n> not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.\r\n> >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\r\n> program!\r\n> >>> Subscription settings:\r\n> >>> http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\r\n> > _______________________________________________\r\n> > Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum\r\n> available\r\n> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.\r\n> > Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the\r\n> official views of AMSAT-NA.\r\n> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\r\n> program!\r\n> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\r\n> \r\n> \r\n> _______________________________________________\r\n> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\r\n> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions\r\n> expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views\r\n> of AMSAT-NA.\r\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\r\n> program!\r\n> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\r\n",
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