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    "sender_name": "Frank H. Bauer",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb]  An alternative ... or ... competition !!!.",
    "date": "2009-07-05T23:13:11Z",
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    "content": "All,\n\nSo that you all know, there is a lot of international discussion and dialog\ngoing on right now on the next steps for ISS.  The current international\ncommitment is to fly ISS to 2015.  But given that several of the\ninternational partners, most notably Europe and Japan, have just gotten\ntheir modules on-orbit, there is discussion, dialog and debate on extending\nISS to 2020 and beyond.  In the USA, some of this dialog is occurring\nthrough the Obama-chartered Human Spaceflight Review Committee, let by Norm\nAugustine, where they have a sub-group looking at ISS Schedule, ISS Utility\nand ISS Cost.  See: http://www.nasa.gov/offices/hsf/home/index.html\n\nWhile  the statement, below, might have been made, I would wait until all\nthe ISS Partners get together to modify their future ISS strategy in\nwriting.  And remember that ISS has done a fantastic job of international\ncollaboration..they all (US, Russia, Europe, Canada, and Japan) all depend\nupon each other to ensure a robust ISS system.  So separating one segment\nfrom the others will have great repercussions for all parties.\n\nOn another topic, WRT the Lunar ILN, if you read the solicitation, they are\ndiscussing *15 kg* payloads.  And these need to accomplish some scientific\nobjective to further lunar exploration.   Given this, I do not think the ILN\nis a viable AMSAT project.\n\n73,  Frank Bauer, KA3HDO\n\nMessage: 5\nDate: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:46:08 +0200\nFrom: John Hackett <[email protected]>\nSubject: [amsat-bb]  An alternative ... or ... competition !!!.\nTo: <[email protected]>\nCc: [email protected], [email protected]\nMessage-ID: <[email protected]>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"Windows-1252\"\n\n\nLadies and Gentlemen,\n                               For those that don't know it, The chief of\nRosKosmos, the Russian Space Agency *confirmed* last week the Russian\nintention to pull the plug on the ISS in the 2015 - 2020 timeframe and to\nconstruct another dedicated Russian space station.\n\nAccording to Anatoly Zak RosKosmos informed NASA of these plans 14 days ago.\n\nThe new Russian station is *NOT* intended to be a laboratory like the ISS\nbut more of an in-orbit contruction platform for future Mars-like and outer\nspace missions.\n\nThe station will comprise a maintainable 'ball' section with several docking\nports with attachable modules.\n\nI propose that amateur radio satellite operators get together and form a\ngroup to suggest/try to influence/impliment an ARISS type of project for\nthis space station.\n\nA Strela type frame could be attached to the underside of the 'ball' and\nsince the station is planned for a Molinya type orbit the coverage would be\nsuitable for DX.\n\nThe planned orbit would put the station predominently over Russia - as\nopposed to the current ISS equatorial orbit.\n\nPersonally, I would suggest an RS-10/11 RS-12/13 clone with a ROBOT ...\n(read: propagation tester) - as these satellites were without the shadow of\na doubt the best for recruiting newcomers.\n\nIt would, in my opinion, be a viable concept and an alternative to some of\nthe latest 'ideas' of a transponder on the moon ... which wouldn't 'catch'\nmany potential newcomers but would (*IN MY OPINION*) only serve a few\ndedicated 'experts' ... leading to the demise of amateur satellite\ncommunications in general.\n\nComments, monies and praise to LA2QAA.\n\nCriticisms, horsewhipping and flaming to GM1SXX.\n\n73 John.   <[email protected]>\n\nInterested parties may read the following ...\n\n\n............................................................................\n....................................\nThe OPSEK project\n\n      By\n2008, the Russian successor to the International Space Station, ISS, was\nidentified as Orbitalniy Pilotiruemyi Eksperimentalniy Kompleks, OPSEK, or\nOrbital Manned Assembly and Experiment Complex in English.* Unlike previous\ndesigns of Mir, Mir-2 and the ISS, the heart of the station would be a\nfour-ton ball-shaped node module.\nEquipped with six docking ports, this relatively small and simple element\nwould be the only permanent element of the station. All other modules would\ncome and go as their lifespan and mission requires.\n\n      The initial architecture of the OPSEK complex could be built out of\nmodules originally planned for the Russian segment of the ISS. The exact\nscenario of the OPSEK assembly would depend on the end of the ISS and the\nreadiness of the latest Russian modules.\nAccording to a 2008 scenario, the MLM multipurpose module, the node module\nand a pair of NEM power platforms could be first launched to the ISS in\n2011, 2013 and 2014-2015, respectively. With the deorbiting of the ISS\nlooming around 2020, these modules could separate from the old outpost to\nform the core of the new Russian station. Another, more controversial\nscenario considered the separation of the practically entire Russian\nsegment, including the MIM-2 docking compartment and the Zvezda service\nmodule, prior to the ISS deorbiting. In this case, the 20-year-old service\nmodule would temporarily take a responsibility for the flight control of the\nOPSEK, until its replacement with a 40-ton versatile core module, UMB,\nlaunched by a next-generation rocket from yet-to-be built launch site in\nVostochny during 2020s.\n\n      The\nseparation of the Russian segment from the ISS would leave the rest of the\noutpost without effective orbital maneuvering capabilities, leaving the\nEuropean ATV spacecraft as a likely candidate to perform the tasks of\nattitude control and deorbiting. To achieve this the ATV would have to be\nmodified to enable its docking with the US segment of the ISS.\n\n      Depending\non the operational orbit selected for the OPSEK, it might be necessary to\nchange the orbital inclination of the modules departing the ISS and forming\nthe new station. The lowest inclination accessible from Vostochny is 51.7\ndegrees, while the ISS is orbiting the Earth with the inclination 51.6\ndegrees toward the Equator. It is estimated that one or two Progress cargo\nships would be necessary to push the modules from one inclination to\nanother.\n\n      From\nofficial statements during 2008 and 2009, it is clear that the one of the\nchief objectives of the OPSEK complex would be the support for expedition to\nMars. All major elements of the Martian expeditionary complex, such as main\nhabitation module, Mars lander and nuclear-powered space tug would dock to\nthe station before its departure from the low-Earth orbit toward Mars. The\nMartian expedition would at the OPSEK as well.\n\n      The station would also play a similar role in lunar exploration.\nReusable space tugs could link OPSEK with the Lunar Orbital Station, LOS, in\norbit around the Moon, thus creating a transport chain for a permanent lunar\nbase. Such tasks  as servicing of modular satellites by orbital tugs based\nat the OPSEK complex were also cited.\n\n      In\nbroader terms, TsNIIMash research institute, a chief strategist of the\nRussian space agency, formulated the OPSEK concept as a foundation of the\nnation's space strategy. By 2009, the new station was seen as a cornerstone\nof a new space exploration plan, which extended four decades into the 21st\ncentury. An ambitious program apparently included manned missions to the\nMoon, Mars and beyond. (344)\n\n      Cooperation with Europe and the US\n\n      In\n2008, Russian plans for maintaining presence in the low-Earth orbit in\ngeneral and the creation of a successor to the ISS in particular had been\nmet enthusiastically in Europe. As ESA had little hope to match the US\neffort to return to the Moon at the beginning of the 21st century,\npreserving a destination in the low-Earth orbit seemed critical for the\npolitical support of the manned space flight on the continent.\n\n      In\nJune 2009, Simonetta Di Pippo, ESA director of human space flight told the\neditor of RussianSpaceWeb.com that she shared the Russian vision of the\nfuture space station as a platform for deep space missions. \"I have\ncontinuous consultations with officials in Russia. We meet every month,\nmonth and a half, and now we are going to start jointly, the study how to\nproceed beyond 2025, Di Pippo said, ...\"and we have a common idea that we\nwould like to preserve presence in the lower orbit. We are studying\ndifferent scenarios, whether we need permanent presence or, maybe, a\nhuman-tended capability, and we can end up with a totally different solution\nin the end, but I don?t believe we can leave Earth orbit.\"\n\n      Di Pippo also said that although  current NASA plans for return to the\nMoon reserved no essential role for the station, it could change in the\nfuture. \"Even on the NASA side, they have too many different developments\n(associated with the Earth orbit), including commercial involvement, which\nthey can not immediately give up,\" Di Pippo said. \n\n      By the end of 2010,\nall partners in the ISS project were expecting to agree on the extension of\nthe ISS lifespan from 2015 to 2020 or even 2025. Once end of life for the\nISS was decided an active planning for post-ISS manned space flight could\nbegin in Russia, Europe and possibly the US.\n\n      \n \n\n\n\n",
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