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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/RVD6TTFMNWMZWP4HNNOWLGCYQ3ML7M5A/", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/", "message_id": "[email protected]", "message_id_hash": "RVD6TTFMNWMZWP4HNNOWLGCYQ3ML7M5A", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/QCBQVS7R3YI5EIPBYXL7EXBMGW3IHTV7/", "sender": { "address": "w5zn (a) w5zn.org", "mailman_id": null, "emails": null }, "sender_name": "[email protected]", "subject": "Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award", "date": "2019-04-23T11:13:16Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/P2BJC6YQ3S4XF5XSV7IOOL4F4VJVCXR6/", "children": [ "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/6Y3RBSSZZRBO23EG3LVBYGRJEZYNOXKY/" ], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "A 5-Band VUCC award would be nice however I'm not sure it would increase \nactivity on the bands beyond an individual's current effort of achieving \na VUCC award on each band that currently exists. What \nadvantage/incentive does it offer beyond having five separate VUCC \nawards? When the 5-Band DXCC award was created individual band DXCC \nAwards were not available as they are today.\n\nSpeaking just strictly from my personal situation, I have 11 single band \nVUCC awards (50 MHz thru 24 GHz). If a 5-Band VUCC award became \navailable I would simply submit my existing individual award credits for \na 5-Band award without getting on the air. If the award required an \nindividual to start from scratch to achieve a 5-Band VUCC I have to \nconfess I have absolutely no desire to get on the air and pursue that \nall over again and would not do so. From my normal operating perspective \n(and I realize those of you who know me would not certify me as being \n\"normal\") it would do nothing to increase my on-the-air activity.\n\nWhat would stimulate me to get on the air more outside of a contest \nweekend is something John, AF5CC, mentions below. A VUCC Challenge Award \nsimilar to the DXCC Challenge Award where total grid count on all bands \nwould come in to play.\n\nPlease do not read my comments as poo-pooing a 5-Band VUCC award. I \nbelieve it would be very nice. I just do not see how it would stimulate \nand increase activity since single band awards are already available.\n\n73 Joel W5ZN\n\n\n\nOn 2019-04-22 17:23, John Geiger wrote:\n> An idea I have been kicking around would be a VUCC challenge, like the \n> DXCC\n> Challenge on HF, 160, and 6 meters. You add together your grid totals \n> from\n> all VHF and UHF bands, and include satellites, and the higher score \n> each\n> year would get a trophy. This should get people interested in adding\n> additional bands to their setup.\n> \n> There could be a plaque issued when you reach some level of grid \n> totals.\n> For the DXCC Challenge is it 1000 band countries, with endorsements \n> being\n> added to that at specific levels. May 500 band grids would be the \n> plaque\n> level. I think that there should be some stipulation added that you \n> must\n> have worked say 20 grids on 3 different bands to get the initial \n> plaque.\n> This would keep someone from getting the initial plaque just by using 6\n> meters or the satellites. I love 6 meters and the satellites, but \n> doing it\n> on 1 band would kind of violate the spirit of the award. Also, for the \n> DXCC\n> Challenge you would have to use 3 bands minimum to get to 1000 band\n> countries. You couldn't do it on just 20 meters.\n> \n> Any thoughts on this idea?\n> \n> 73 John AF5CC\n> \n> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 10:45 AM Les Rayburn via VHF \n> <[email protected]>\n> wrote:\n> \n>> Bruce,\n>> \n>> Correct. For those of us “Back East”, 6 Meter VUCC and Satellite VUCC \n>> are\n>> probably the easiest to earn. 2 Meters is certainly achievable \n>> especially\n>> using WSJT meteor scatter and EME.\n>> \n>> Those in most parts of the West have an advantage on microwave—since \n>> high\n>> spots with five grids within range are most plentiful.\n>> \n>> 222 and 432 are within each of most—especially if we have increased\n>> activity on these bands.\n>> \n>> Microwave about 2.3 GHz is tougher but if you’re willing to travel the\n>> five (5) grids required could be worked by yourself and a partner in a\n>> weekend.\n>> \n>> For the record, I just achieved my second VUCC. This one on 2 Meters—a\n>> feat that took over a decade to complete. I’m limited to an indoor \n>> antenna\n>> due to HOA. Closing in on Satellite VUCC which would give me three of \n>> the\n>> awards.\n>> \n>> Completing 432 would be possible—but likely would require a single \n>> Yagi\n>> EME effort from the driveway at night. My HOA will allow portable\n>> operations—but everything has to be back inside when the sun comes up.\n>> \n>> That would give me four bands—anything else will require microwave and\n>> travel. A considerable expense. But one that I’d be willing to make if \n>> the\n>> reward was not only 10 GHz VUCC but also the new Five Band VUCC Award.\n>> \n>> I really hope the ARRL will seriously consider the proposal. If you’re\n>> supportive of it, please contact your Section Manager and let them \n>> know.\n>> \n>> \n>> 73,\n>> \n>> Les Rayburn, N1LF\n>> Maylene, AL\n>> EM63nf\n>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member\n>> \n>> \n>> \n>> \n>> > On Apr 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:\n>> >\n>> > So, I could do my 100 on satellite, 100 on 6m, then 100 on 2m and 50 on\n>> 70cm and be done.\n>> >\n>> > The higher frequencies are impossible from the Houston area as we have\n>> no mountains. Those in mountainous regions have a distinct advantage \n>> in the\n>> higher frequencies. That is why you see a large group of high \n>> frequency use\n>> in Europe, East Coast and West Coast. I am not saying it does not \n>> present a\n>> challenge everywhere\n>> >\n>> > 73...bruce\n>> >\n>> > On 4/22/2019 1:20 AM, Les Rayburn wrote:\n>> >> Bruce,\n>> >>\n>> >> Thank you for your input. Current VUCC rules would apply:\n>> >>\n>> >> 6 Meters, 2 Meters, and Satellite require 100 grids confirmed.\n>> >> 222 and 432 require 50 grids\n>> >> 902 and 1296 require 25 grids\n>> >> 2304 requires 10 grids\n>> >> All higher bands including 5 GHz, 10Ghz, and laser require only five.\n>> >>\n>> >>\n>> >>\n>> >> 73,\n>> >>\n>> >> Les Rayburn, N1LF\n>> >> Maylene, AL\n>> >> EM63nf\n>> >> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member\n>> >>\n>> >>\n>> >>\n>> >>\n>> >>> On Apr 21, 2019, at 10:07 PM, Bruce <[email protected] <mailto:\n>> [email protected]>> wrote:\n>> >>>\n>> >>> 100 grids terrestrial on 1296 or 2400. that is a bit rough. what 5\n>> bands would it be? 222, 2m, 70cm, 1296 and ??? 2400?\n>> >>>\n>> >>> 73...bruce\n>> >>>\n>> >>> Sent from my iPhone\n>> >>>\n>> >>> On Apr 21, 2019, at 9:50 PM, Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB <\n>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:\n>> >>>\n>> >>> Lady & Gentlemen,\n>> >>>\n>> >>> Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone\n>> on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was \n>> lost\n>> in cyberspace.\n>> >>>\n>> >>> In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d\n>> like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that\n>> would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.\n>> >>>\n>> >>> Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or\n>> more of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A \n>> special\n>> certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.\n>> >>>\n>> >>> My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the\n>> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, \n>> and\n>> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of \n>> more\n>> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and \n>> advances\n>> the state of the radio art.\n>> >>>\n>> >>> Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I\n>> could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, \n>> grateful\n>> for your service to the hobby.\n>> >>>\n>> >>>\n>> >>>\n>> >>> 73,\n>> >>>\n>> >>> Les Rayburn, N1LF\n>> >>> 121 Mayfair Park\n>> >>> Maylene, AL 35114\n>> >>> EM63nf\n>> >>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member\n>> >>>\n>> >>>\n>> >>>\n>> >>>\n>> >>> _______________________________________________\n>> >>> Sent via [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. AMSAT-NA\n>> makes this open forum available\n>> >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.\n>> Opinions expressed\n>> >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views\n>> of AMSAT-NA.\n>> >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? 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