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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/TM5A5NBTFDMK6PKVQIJPCQ4DBNMV7XMK/", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/", "message_id": "CAPFr_U=KXfcNnkdkZ0Ka=OhxMse8Nn51xSkjtUC5ab11Aiv78g@mail.gmail.com", "message_id_hash": "TM5A5NBTFDMK6PKVQIJPCQ4DBNMV7XMK", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/M3CCG2JAVEAUP6H7NSEOEPEZH4CFSWWS/", "sender": { "address": "ki7unj (a) gmail.com", "mailman_id": "f58ccbb5b72e45929dff11e19efa4b84", "emails": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/sender/f58ccbb5b72e45929dff11e19efa4b84/emails/" }, "sender_name": "KI7UNJ Tucker", "subject": "Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..", "date": "2020-06-18T17:04:09Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/ZT43C2PE7LUNYCCDHMF7MWC3KQSARXX5/", "children": [], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "Dave,\n\nI'm pretty sure people have gotten DXCC via LEO sats, or for certain many\nops have more than a \"handful\".\n\nYou do know you could work portable? Go to the east coast work a ton of EU,\nthen come over to the west coast pick up HI/JAPAN/RUSSIA/AK, then head\nsouth to Florida and work all the SA countries, and islands to your heart's\ncontent. However, if you plan on sitting in a shack your limiting yourself.\n\nBut let's say you don't wanna work portable...Just for fun, I drew a\ncircle with a 8,000km radius from EN53qb, and I can tell you there is more\nthan 100 DX in that circle.\n\nAnd really would SAT DXCC via a well placed GEO SAT be that fun or\nexciting? You would just sit there and make contacts all day, and the\nchallenge/fun would be sorta just be gone, IMO.\n\nOn Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:43 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <\[email protected]> wrote:\n\n> Everyone:\n> Thank you; the tone of my email asked for this.\n>\n> I am not a whining proponent. Let me end this thread just as abruptly\n> as I started it.\n>\n> I realize one can work a handful of DX with LEO. Given a goal of DXCC,\n> the situations looks very different (hence the HEO interest). Of\n> course I know about the GOLF efforts.\n>\n> I failed to communicate my interest is DXCC via satellites. This is a\n> stretch (from EN53qb) without HEO or perhaps well-placed GEO. The idea\n> previously fronted to reach out to the Elon Musks, etc. of the world\n> seems most prudent.\n>\n> very 73,\n>\n> Dave KJ9I\n>\n> On 6/18/20 10:55 AM, egon via AMSAT-BB wrote:\n> > From Alberta Canada I have worked 23 country's on LEO satellites\n> > and that's not counting AO40,\n> >\n> >\n> >\n> > Egon VE6EGN/SA3EGN\n> > -----Original Message----- From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB\n> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:59 AM\n> > To: David J. Schmocker\n> > Cc: AMSAT BB\n> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..\n> >\n> > David,\n> >\n> > \"Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without\n> > HEO?\"\n> >\n> > It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck\n> > I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in\n> > that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even\n> > able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via\n> > LEO)\n> > is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via\n> > RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.\n> >\n> > People who say \"working DX isn't possible with LEO\" need to take a\n> > look at\n> > orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX\n> > on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or\n> > venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass.\n> > LEO\n> > DX is 100% possible!\n> >\n> > Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or\n> > donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the\n> > design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they\n> > think its just wham bam the sat is in space.\n> >\n> > Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this\n> > page!\n> >\n> https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-amsat-golf-program/\n> >\n> >\n> > MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun\n> > and\n> > allow me to work many more DX.\n> >\n> >\n> > /R\n> > KI7UNJ\n> >\n> >\n> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <\n> > [email protected]> wrote:\n> >\n> >> Everyone:\n> >> My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. \"Why no HEO?\"\n> >> Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.\n> >>\n> >> Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible\n> >> without HEO?\n> >>\n> >> My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital\n> >> height.\n> >>\n> >> very 73,\n> >>\n> >> Dave KJ9I\n> >>\n> >> On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:\n> >> > Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate\n> >> > for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no\n> >> > significant HEO projects.\n> >> > LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year\n> >> > after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects\n> >> > or ARISS.\n> >> >\n> >> > Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered\n> >> > a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building\n> >> > an earth station.\n> >> >\n> >> > Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT\n> >> > membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood? Anybody ever give him a\n> >> > call?\n> >> >\n> >> > I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by\n> >> > embargoing technology.\n> >> >\n> >> >\n> >> > \"Donate early, donate often.\n> >> >\n> >> > 2) No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and\n> >> > overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job,\n> >> > not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building,\n> >> > testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is\n> >> > all about.\n> >> > --- Zach\n> >> > N0ZGO\"\n> >> >\n> >> > \"There are many political and economic factors that made the\n> >> > partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. \"\n> >> >\n> >> > \"the most senior political official we've had who was\n> >> > active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg\n> >> > Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels\n> >> > of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.\n> >> >\n> >> > 73,\n> >> >\n> >> > Paul Stoetzer, N8HM\n> >> > Executive Vice President\n> >> > AMSAT\"\n> >> >\n> >> > I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why\n> >> no > HEO?\n> >> >\n> >> _______________________________________________\n> >> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\n> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.\n> >> Opinions\n> >> expressed\n> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of\n> >> AMSAT-NA.\n> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> >> program!\n> >> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> >>\n> >\n> >\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\n> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions\n> expressed\n> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of\n> AMSAT-NA.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n\n\n-- \n*Casey Tucker KI7UNJ*\nhttps://twitter.com/KI7UNJ\n", "attachments": [] }