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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/V3WNMQHL7PNF6RD3GMDXKISX47OOY3K5/?format=api",
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        "address": "salo (a) saloits.com",
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    "sender_name": "Timothy J. Salo",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: BoD Elections",
    "date": "2009-08-29T04:17:21Z",
    "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/WU32WNWGJVEQXFEY6YUBQODS765TMWW5/?format=api",
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    "content": "For the record, it should be noted that Dee was responding\npublicly to e-mail that I sent privately.\n\nI try to maintain a professional tone in my private e-mail\n(knowing that private e-mail can easily become public).  On the\nother had, I would have refined the message and language more, if\nI had intended for the e-mail to be public.\n\nHaving said that, my private e-mail does reflect my experience\nas an AMSAT member attending parts of several Board meetings.\n\nAt some point, I will try to write a response to this thread.\nI have found the messages to date highly informative.\n\n-tjs\n\n- - - - - - - - - - - - -\n\nDee wrote:\n>  \n> See my snips...\n> \n> \n> -----Original Message-----\n> From: Timothy J. Salo [mailto:[email protected]] \n> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:48 PM\n> To: Dee\n> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] BoD Elections\n> \n>> There are no \"secret\" happenings - it is all out in the open.\n> \n> Have you actually been to a Board meeting?  Have you heard the pitch about\n> how you can't talk about anything that you hear during the meeting?  I\n> assume that the chair still gives this pitch at the beginning of the Board\n> meeting.\n> \n>     >>>Yes, I have been.  I have not heard any statement of secrecy(unless\n> relevant to legal proceedings). If a negotiation is ongoing for a launch and\n> they do not want it to be interfered with until it has been exhausted or\n> come to fruition, I will honor such a request. The full minutes of what is\n> said and discussed is published for all to see.  Again, the BOD meeting is\n> open for all to attend that are interested enough to find out actions items\n> being passed around.\n> \n> If you attended a board meeting, did you feel welcome?  Or, did you feel\n> merely tolerated.  Did the Board reserve a room just large enough for the\n> board members?  Did you have to go find your own chair, if you wanted to\n> sit?  Did you feel that you could eat any of the food that was left over\n> after the Board ate?\n> \n>     >>> I felt welcomed at any that I was present for.  Some on the board\n> finally put a face to the name and call.  I certainly did not know many\n> officers except for what I read about them in the mailings.  I agree that\n> there is limited space since they really don't expect a large turnout at a\n> BOD meeting. (Most is dull, not exciting information but it gives you an\n> idea of procedures and good information to bring back to local groups via\n> presentations) I don't go for the food. AMSAT cannot accommodate a free\n> lunch for onlookers.\n> \n> I once asked for a copy(of an agenda) at a Board meeting.  You would think I\n> was asking for the keys to their bank account.\n> \n>     >>> They had copies when I attended-probably a result of you asking for\n> one.\n> \n> Do you have confidence that you are even aware of all of the meetings of the\n> board?\n> \n>     >>>Their monthly phone conferences are summarized in the AMSAT journal\n> or on the BB or via the ANS.\n> \n> In my view, the Board employs a number of subtle techniques to prevent the\n> membership from knowing about, much less discussing, the activities of the\n> Board.\n> \n>     >>>As in any organization, we elect the board to act on to do lists -\n> investigate - perform reality checks and disseminate information about our\n> organization because most of us cannot offer time and energy to do so.\n> \n> Besides having your ideas heard, I don't think that members are permitted to\n> speak at board meetings, unless invited.\n> \n>     >>>Ideas from the general membership are presented at the annual\n> meeting.  While attending one BOD meeting, I was asked \"and what & why are\n> you here?\" I promptly told them I was there to \"observe and absorb\"\n> information for my many presentations to local Radio Clubs asking me to\n> attend meetings - part of my Area Co-coordinator Job in NJ - Personally, I\n> like to hear about any HEO projects, my favorite subject.\n> --Timothy, once again, attend this years Symposium with a renewed interest\n> and what you feel should be changed, attempt change.  We are only 40 years\n> old as a group and finding the level you wish AMSAT to be at can directly be\n> in your grasp. Grab a pen (Equivalent to a computer I guess) and volunteer\n> for something that we need to have happen - see the Journal!\n> \n> -tjs\n> \n> \n> 73,\n> Dee, NB2F\n> \n\n\n",
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