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        "address": "peter (a) m3php.com",
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    "sender_name": "Peter Goodhall",
    "subject": "Re: [amsat-bb] Why 6 digit grid locator in Europe?",
    "date": "2016-02-18T22:06:57Z",
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    "content": "Ofcoms reasonably relaxed, its main concern is that I identify at the\nstart of a transmission (CQ) every 15mins or again if I change\nfrequency. IARU says that a valid QSO is defined as:-\n\n- Mutually identified each other\n- received a report and\n- received confirmation of a successful identification & reception of the report\n\nReport could easily just be the Gridsquare on its own, after all the\nsignal reports meaningless via a satellite if its FM (probably ssb\ntoo) and you're getting into it thats all that matters, remove the\nsignal report and you speed up the QSO and that extra two letters\ndoesn't seem so bad.\n\nWhen you think\n\nEA4GPZ 2E0SQL\n2E0SQL IN80do\nEA4GPZ IO91js\nand a quick Thanks/73\n\nProbably isn't going to take that long.\n\nBut I honestly don't feel that because on EME or M/S its just 4\ncharacters that it should mean a sudden switch, for EME/MS the 4\nletters have been decided based mainly on the digital modes which has\nmoved into HF with JT65 and JT9 before then apart from in a PSK brag\nfile you never really heard QRAs on HF.\n\nI'm not sure how long the 6 characters has been a thing on the\nsatellites in Europe, but in the 4 years I've been on it's certainly\nthe norm.. like you say tons of times wasted on for example SO-50\nhaving to wait for someone to stop calling over you or keying you out\nthat its easily 50% of the time lost just to people probably not being\nable to hear the satellite in the first place.\n\nJust my thoughts anyway and many thanks for the squares while you've\nbeen on from the UK.\n\nPete, 2E0SQL\n\nOn 18 February 2016 at 21:35, Dani EA4GPZ <[email protected]> wrote:\n> El 18/02/16 a las 15:26, Peter Goodhall escribió:\n>\n>> We can strip down exchange information to just be 2E0SQL EA1JM IO91 or\n>> if we don't bother even with that 2E0SQL EA1JM.. I'm not really sure\n>> it constitutes a contact by my licence regulations.\n>\n> I don't think that the licence regulations have any say on what\n> constitutes a contact or actually try say so. That's for the ham\n> community to decide. I can speak only for the Spanish and UK\n> regulations, which are the ones that I've ever read.\n>\n> The EME and meteor scatter communities have a very clear idea of what\n> constitutes a contact for them, because they're only always working\n> under marginal conditions, so they try to send the least information\n> possible.\n>\n>\n>> There's far greater issues like people calling over the top of in\n>> progress QSOs, deliberate jamming etc which should be dealt with\n>> first, if this was taken care of then more QSOs on FM satellites could\n>> take place and that extra two letters wouldn't really make a real\n>> difference.\n>\n> I agree with that. For me, the worst problem in FM satellites is people\n> calling over and over without being able to hear the satellite. It would\n> be fun to record some passes and study how much time gets wasted with\n> such issues and how much time is used to actually make QSOs. I have the\n> impression that more than half of the time gets wasted usually.\n>\n> 73,\n>\n> Dani EA4GPZ.\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\n> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed\n> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n\n\n-- \nPeter Goodhall, 2E0SQL\n",
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