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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/VMXF5IXOPLBWWR74BD74JG7XP5GZ6AWQ/", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/", "message_id": "[email protected]", "message_id_hash": "VMXF5IXOPLBWWR74BD74JG7XP5GZ6AWQ", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/VMXF5IXOPLBWWR74BD74JG7XP5GZ6AWQ/", "sender": { "address": "n5uxt (a) hotmail.com", "mailman_id": "a342490f7e9a4e4c9a9460642e57eb1f", "emails": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/sender/a342490f7e9a4e4c9a9460642e57eb1f/emails/" }, "sender_name": "Angelo Glorioso", "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: D STAR", "date": "2013-11-12T20:42:58Z", "parent": null, "children": [ "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/QTWYMYE2OYWVQTOWFBO3JA3Q2RA7Z7VE/" ], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "\n\n Last question. Do you know for a fact that\n the AMBE codecs was not developed by\n a ham radio operator for that company???\n A lot of hams are in that business.\n\n 7 3 de Angelo\n\n\n\n> ----- Original Message ----- \n> From: \"Rob\" <[email protected]>\n> To: <[email protected]>\n> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR\n>\n>\n>> An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for example.\n>>\n>> Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. An\n>> amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking\n>> place in a single SSB \"channel.\"\n>>\n>> Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or\n>> someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it \n>> can't\n>> be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is suppose\n>> to be about.\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso <[email protected]> \n>> wrote:\n>>\n>>> Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.\n>>>\n>>> PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)\n>>>\n>>>\n>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: \"Rob\" <[email protected]>\n>>> To: <[email protected]>\n>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM\n>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR\n>>>\n>>>\n>>> I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?\n>>>>\n>>>>\n>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso <[email protected]>\n>>>> wrote:\n>>>>\n>>>> \"To help the believer \" :-)\n>>>>>\n>>>>> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it\n>>>>> in a long time.\n>>>>>\n>>>>> Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??\n>>>>>\n>>>>> Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??\n>>>>>\n>>>>> Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.\n>>>>>\n>>>>> Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ???\n>>>>>\n>>>>>\n>>>>> Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the\n>>>>> radio art!!!!!!\n>>>>>\n>>>>> 7 3 de Angelo\n>>>>>\n>>>>>\n>>>>>\n>>>>>\n>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: \"Rob\" <[email protected]>\n>>>>> To: <[email protected]>\n>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM\n>>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR\n>>>>>\n>>>>>\n>>>>> \"To help the non beleiver.. \"\n>>>>>\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> D-STAR is the \"fast-food\" of amateur radio (much the same way \n>>>>>> repeaters\n>>>>>> are\n>>>>>> ... but I digress)\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the\n>>>>>> radio\n>>>>>> art ... it does not promote innovation ...\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever \n>>>>>> you\n>>>>>> need to do to get on \"the net\" and talk to someone .... you've \n>>>>>> learned\n>>>>>> nothing and you've given nothing back.\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any\n>>>>>> value\n>>>>>> for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the\n>>>>>> highest\n>>>>>> bidder.\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:\n>>>>>>> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the \n>>>>>>> > > same\n>>>>>>> > > thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with \n>>>>>>> > > DSTAR\n>>>>>>> > > it\n>>>>>>> > > is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much \n>>>>>>> > > fun,\n>>>>>>> > > there is something for everyone\n>>>>>>> > > 73,s Damon\n>>>>>>> >\n>>>>>>> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. \n>>>>>>> > Only\n>>>>>>> > >\n>>>>>>> one\n>>>>>>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell\n>>>>>>> to a\n>>>>>>> handful of approved radio manufacturers.\n>>>>>>> >\n>>>>>>> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the \n>>>>>>> > AMBE\n>>>>>>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio.\n>>>>>>> >\n>>>>>>> > --\n>>>>>>> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ\n>>>>>>> >\n>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________\n>>>>>>> > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >\n>>>>>>> author.\n>>>>>>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n>>>>>>> program!\n>>>>>>> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one \n>>>>>>> choose\n>>>>>>> to\n>>>>>>> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something\n>>>>>>> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who \n>>>>>>> wants\n>>>>>>> to\n>>>>>>> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication\n>>>>>>> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's\n>>>>>>> just\n>>>>>>> to say competition is already present.\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> The cost question.\n>>>>>>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR \n>>>>>>> for\n>>>>>>> 700$\n>>>>>>> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just\n>>>>>>> an example and i'm not connected to their business.\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters-\n>>>>>>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1&\n>>>>>>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+\n>>>>>>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> I don't know where this \"I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham\n>>>>>>> radio\n>>>>>>> no one should use it\" trend come from but it's getting old...\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you\n>>>>>>> will\n>>>>>>> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the\n>>>>>>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you \n>>>>>>> don't\n>>>>>>> live on my planet.\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> Just let folks live free...\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE\n>>>>>>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> _______________________________________________\n>>>>>>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the\n>>>>>>> author.\n>>>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n>>>>>>> program!\n>>>>>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> _______________________________________________\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the\n>>>>>> author.\n>>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n>>>>>> program!\n>>>>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>>\n>>>>> _______________________________________________\n>>>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the \n>>>> author.\n>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite \n>>>> program!\n>>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>>>>\n>>>>\n>>>\n>> _______________________________________________\n>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite \n>> program!\n>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>>\n> \n\n", "attachments": [] }