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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/VVYV6OH57VLUCYAF3ZDLKED7M7GZSSIM/?format=api", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/?format=api", "message_id": "000501c81bab$1b3ded60$0200000a@oe6agd9bb791ce", "message_id_hash": "VVYV6OH57VLUCYAF3ZDLKED7M7GZSSIM", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/VVYV6OH57VLUCYAF3ZDLKED7M7GZSSIM/?format=api", "sender": { "address": "oe6ag (a) aon.at", "mailman_id": null, "emails": null }, "sender_name": "Wilhelm Hartinger", "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 2, Issue 670", "date": "2007-10-31T10:45:06Z", "parent": null, "children": [], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "\n----- Original Message ----- \nFrom: <[email protected]>\nTo: <[email protected]>\nSent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:08 AM\nSubject: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 2, Issue 670\n\n\n> Send AMSAT-BB mailing list submissions to\n> [email protected]\n>\n> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit\n> http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to\n> [email protected]\n>\n> You can reach the person managing the list at\n> [email protected]\n>\n> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific\n> than \"Re: Contents of AMSAT-BB digest...\"\n>\n>\n> Today's Topics:\n>\n> 1. Re: Phase 4 (Robert McGwier)\n> 2. Re: Phase 4 (Nate Duehr)\n> 3. Re: Phase 4 (Stefan Wagener)\n> 4. L band amp power supply (Andrew Glasbrenner)\n> 5. AO-16 S band beacon (WILLIAMS MICHAEL)\n> 6. Re: AO-16 S band beacon (Andrew Glasbrenner)\n> 7. Re: Phase 4 ([email protected])\n> 8. Re: Phase 4 ([email protected])\n>\n>\n> ----------------------------------------------------------------------\n>\n> Message: 1\n> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:22:45 -0400\n> From: Robert McGwier <[email protected]>\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Phase 4\n> To: Stefan Wagener <[email protected]>\n> Cc: \"'John Marranca, Jr'\" <[email protected]>, [email protected]\n> Message-ID: <[email protected]>\n> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed\n>\n> We have kept Eagle satellite alive. The lab at U. Md. ES is being built\n> out and we are going ahead with the structure. We helped fund the\n> completion of P3E with our international partners and stepped up our\n> efforts to finish the IHU-3 for them (and us.\n>\n> The Eagle satellite structure build out is funded and slated for\n> completion in 2008.\n>\n> We are really going to try to get P3E a ride on Intelsat to balance\n> against the other offers to see what is best for AMSAT-DL and us.\n>\n> Stefan's analysis is correct. Any one geostationary bird can cover\n> roughly a third of the earth.\n>\n> Bob\n>\n>\n>\n> Stefan Wagener wrote:\n>> Yes,\n>>\n>> It is a great project and deserves our full support!\n>>\n>> Having said that we also need to realize, that depending on the location \n>> of\n>> the satellite above the equator we might only have the Americas in the \n>> foot\n>> print. No Europe or Africa and no Asia. Since the first geostationary\n>> satellite with amateur radio has to provide tangible support for \n>> government\n>> agencies (funding source) it will certainly be primarily centered around \n>> a\n>> North American footprint. That's why we need to keep Eagle alive and \n>> support\n>> Phase 3E.\n>>\n>> All together they will give us the full package of worldwide DX via\n>> satellite and reliable high power communication in the Americas.\n>>\n>> 73. Stefan VE4NSA\n>>\n>\n> -- \n> AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL,\n> TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair\n> ?An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why\n> must the pessimist always run to blow it out?? Descartes\n>\n>\n> ------------------------------\n>\n> Message: 2\n> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:25:21 -0600\n> From: Nate Duehr <[email protected]>\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Phase 4\n> To: amsat bb <[email protected]>\n> Message-ID: <[email protected]>\n> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes\n>\n>\n> On Oct 30, 2007, at 6:18 PM, Dave Guimont wrote:\n>\n>>\n>>> On Oct 30, 2007, at 2:58 PM, John Marranca, Jr wrote:\n>>>\n>>> > Imagine...ULTRA RELIABLE DX...24 hours per day. Those with antenna\n>>> > restrictions or home-owner's covenants could be QRV. And if the\n>>> up/\n>>> > down\n>>> > links were UHF and above, a pair of helices could be used INSIDE,\n>>> > pointing\n>>> > through a window....\n>>>\n>>> Imagine the hundreds of people QRM'ing each other. :-)\n>>\n>> Nate, you are kidding, of course!\n>\n> Yes, thus the \" :-) \". Definitely meant as a joke.\n>\n> Just poking a little fun at this -- a fixed bird is going to be very\n> popular. Maybe sometimes \"too\" popular.\n>\n> It was meant to come out with a tone something like the phrase:\n> \"Visualize Whirled Peas!\".\n>\n> Kinda like a new restaurant opening in your neighborhood, you probably\n> don't want to be there on \"opening night\" if you're the type that\n> likes to avoid crowds. (GRIN)\n>\n> --\n> Nate Duehr, WY0X\n> [email protected]\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n> ------------------------------\n>\n> Message: 3\n> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:43:07 -0500\n> From: \"Stefan Wagener\" <[email protected]>\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Phase 4\n> To: \"'Robert McGwier'\" <[email protected]>\n> Cc: \"'John Marranca, Jr'\" <[email protected]>, [email protected]\n> Message-ID: <[email protected]>\n> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=\"us-ascii\"\n>\n> Thanks Bob.\n>\n> It was great meeeting you in Pittsburgh and you have my full support for\n> your ideas and initatives. Folks like you keep things moving.\n>\n> 73, Stefan VE4NSA\n>\n> -----Original Message-----\n> From: Robert McGwier [mailto:[email protected]]\n> Sent: October-30-07 7:23 PM\n> To: Stefan Wagener\n> Cc: 'John Marranca, Jr'; [email protected]\n> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Phase 4\n>\n> We have kept Eagle satellite alive. The lab at U. Md. ES is being built \n> out\n> and we are going ahead with the structure. We helped fund the completion \n> of\n> P3E with our international partners and stepped up our efforts to finish\n> the IHU-3 for them (and us.\n>\n> The Eagle satellite structure build out is funded and slated for \n> completion\n> in 2008.\n>\n> We are really going to try to get P3E a ride on Intelsat to balance \n> against\n> the other offers to see what is best for AMSAT-DL and us.\n>\n> Stefan's analysis is correct. Any one geostationary bird can cover \n> roughly\n> a third of the earth.\n>\n> Bob\n>\n>\n>\n> Stefan Wagener wrote:\n>> Yes,\n>>\n>> It is a great project and deserves our full support!\n>>\n>> Having said that we also need to realize, that depending on the\n>> location of the satellite above the equator we might only have the\n>> Americas in the foot print. No Europe or Africa and no Asia. Since the\n>> first geostationary satellite with amateur radio has to provide\n>> tangible support for government agencies (funding source) it will\n>> certainly be primarily centered around a North American footprint.\n>> That's why we need to keep Eagle alive and support Phase 3E.\n>>\n>> All together they will give us the full package of worldwide DX via\n>> satellite and reliable high power communication in the Americas.\n>>\n>> 73. Stefan VE4NSA\n>>\n>\n> --\n> AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats,\n> NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair \"An optimist may see a light\n> where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it \n> out?\"\n> Descartes\n>\n>\n>\n> ------------------------------\n>\n> Message: 4\n> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:08:58 -0400\n> From: \"Andrew Glasbrenner\" <[email protected]>\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] L band amp power supply\n> To: <[email protected]>\n> Message-ID: <0E3880FB1B8844199FEA5073A7C1DE97@Andrewlaptop>\n> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=\"iso-8859-1\";\n> reply-type=original\n>\n> I just ordered a newish LS-10a for my forthcoming amp, but I found one on\n> QTH.com I thought I'd share. I don't know the guy from Adam, but it looks\n> like a good deal to me. Caveat Emptor.\n>\n>>F/S Astron 28VDC Power Supply New.\n>>New Astron 28VDC Power supply. this is the Good for 12.5 Amps Continuous \n>>or\n>>15 AMPS ICS. This is a switching power supply so it light and is about 5\n>> >pounds. $50.00 Plus Shipping. ASTRON Model SLS-15\n>>Listing #626303 - Submitted on 10/28/07 by Callsign N9BX\n>\n> 73, Drew KO4MA\n>\n>\n>\n> ------------------------------\n>\n> Message: 5\n> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:27:49 -0700 (PDT)\n> From: WILLIAMS MICHAEL <[email protected]>\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-16 S band beacon\n> To: [email protected]\n> Message-ID: <[email protected]>\n> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1\n>\n> Is AO-16's 2.4 GHz beacon working and how strong is it?\n>\n>\n> Thanks,\n>\n> Mike\n> K9QHO\n> AMSAT 33589\n>\n>\n> ------------------------------\n>\n> Message: 6\n> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:50:28 -0400\n> From: \"Andrew Glasbrenner\" <[email protected]>\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-16 S band beacon\n> To: \"WILLIAMS MICHAEL\" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>\n> Message-ID: <A709F63C2B78490398244D3F4E373A92@Andrewlaptop>\n> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=\"iso-8859-1\";\n> reply-type=original\n>\n> AO-16 has been completely down for a while.\n>\n> 73, Drew KO4MA\n>\n> ----- Original Message ----- \n> From: \"WILLIAMS MICHAEL\" <[email protected]>\n> To: <[email protected]>\n> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:27 PM\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-16 S band beacon\n>\n>\n>> Is AO-16's 2.4 GHz beacon working and how strong is it?\n>>\n>>\n>> Thanks,\n>>\n>> Mike\n>> K9QHO\n>> AMSAT 33589\n>> _______________________________________________\n>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite \n>> program!\n>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n>\n>\n> ------------------------------\n>\n> Message: 7\n> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:58:08 CST\n> From: [email protected]\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Phase 4\n> To: [email protected], [email protected]\n> Message-ID: <[email protected]>\n> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1\n>\n> Hi Robert (N4HY)\n>\n> I have been reading all the info on the BB about what appears to be a Geo\n> syncronous amateur system supported by a commercial bird.\n> Obviously you and others have done much work to understand this scheme\n> in order to develop support for it.\n> My problem is I do not have enough to really handle this issue as a Amsat\n> Coordinator and was not able to attend the symposium.\n> Being an uninformed Amsat Coordinator is not healthy for Amsat.\n>\n> Is a system level proposal for this new Phase 4 going to be provided with\n> sufficient numbers to allow membership evaluation before any impact on\n> the Eagle system effort is considered acceptable.\n> A question that needs an answer as I have already been asked.\n>\n> Will an analysis of the effects on the HEO DXCC desires of the membership\n> as to the effect of a stationary fixed aperture antenna pattern in Geo\n> versus a moving satellite location fixed aperture antenna system not in\n> Geo.\n> To include the need to use high squint angles and power levels required\n> on both\n> ends of this sort of link budget.\n>\n> Sorry I did not attend the symposium.\n>\n> Joe Murray K0VTY\n> Amsat # 860\n> Amsat area Coordinator NE\n> =================================\n> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:22:45 -0400 Robert McGwier <[email protected]>\n> writes:\n>> We have kept Eagle satellite alive. The lab at U. Md. ES is being\n>> built\n>> out and we are going ahead with the structure. We helped fund the\n>> completion of P3E with our international partners and stepped up\n>> our\n>> efforts to finish the IHU-3 for them (and us.\n>>\n>> The Eagle satellite structure build out is funded and slated for\n>> completion in 2008.\n>>\n>> We are really going to try to get P3E a ride on Intelsat to balance\n>>\n>> against the other offers to see what is best for AMSAT-DL and us.\n>>\n>> Stefan's analysis is correct. Any one geostationary bird can cover\n>>\n>> roughly a third of the earth.\n>>\n>> Bob\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>> Stefan Wagener wrote:\n>> > Yes,\n>> >\n>> > It is a great project and deserves our full support!\n>> >\n>> > Having said that we also need to realize, that depending on the\n>> location of\n>> > the satellite above the equator we might only have the Americas in\n>> the foot\n>> > print. No Europe or Africa and no Asia. Since the first\n>> geostationary\n>> > satellite with amateur radio has to provide tangible support for\n>> government\n>> > agencies (funding source) it will certainly be primarily centered\n>> around a\n>> > North American footprint. That's why we need to keep Eagle alive\n>> and support\n>> > Phase 3E.\n>> >\n>> > All together they will give us the full package of worldwide DX\n>> via\n>> > satellite and reliable high power communication in the Americas.\n>> >\n>> > 73. Stefan VE4NSA\n>> >\n>>\n>> -- \n>> AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL,\n>> TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair\n>> ?An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why\n>> must the pessimist always run to blow it out?? Descartes\n>> _______________________________________________\n>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the\n>> author.\n>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n>> program!\n>> n settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>>\n>>\n>\n>\n> ------------------------------\n>\n> Message: 8\n> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:09:50 -0400\n> From: [email protected]\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Phase 4\n> To: <[email protected]>\n> Message-ID: <[email protected]>\n> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=\"us-ascii\"; format=flowed\n>\n> At 07:37 PM 10/30/2007, you wrote:\n>>Yes,\n>>\n>>It is a great project and deserves our full support!\n>>\n>>Having said that we also need to realize, that depending on the location \n>>of\n>>the satellite above the equator we might only have the Americas in the \n>>foot\n>>print. No Europe or Africa and no Asia. Since the first geostationary\n>>satellite with amateur radio has to provide tangible support for \n>>government\n>>agencies (funding source) it will certainly be primarily centered around a\n>>North American footprint. That's why we need to keep Eagle alive and \n>>support\n>>Phase 3E.\n>>\n>>All together they will give us the full package of worldwide DX via\n>>satellite and reliable high power communication in the Americas.\n>>\n>>73. Stefan VE4NSA\n>\n> if its an AMSAT-NA project and money then I hope it is over the \n> Americas!!!\n> Think of the possibilities ... WAS, worked all US Counties (by Sat),\n> worked all grids, worked all Canadian provinces, etc. Probably could\n> even do it all MOBILE too, if one wanted to.\n>\n> Les W4SCO\n> www.scoincsoftware.com\n>\n>\n>\n> ------------------------------\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n>\n> End of AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 2, Issue 670\n> ****************************************\n>\n>\n>\n> -- \n> No virus found in this incoming message.\n> Checked by AVG Free Edition.\n> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.14/1100 - Release Date: \n> 30.10.2007 18:26\n> \n\n", "attachments": [] }