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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/VYMUNRZGMQHSLPYQB23EGP2P6ADWVSOK/?format=api",
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    "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/RC7LOYAQJQ73I6MFM6YTCEQURRQTQZTI/?format=api",
    "sender": {
        "address": "k7zt (a) suddenlink.net",
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    "sender_name": "Joe Westbrook",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: NO MILITARY COOPERATION ON AO-51",
    "date": "2007-02-18T23:27:57Z",
    "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/TFDB5RHB7IPUR443ATPGINBCOGIZUF7U/?format=api",
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    "content": "So Luc:\nLuc:\nJust how many launch vehicles have Canadians paid for? Oh I forgot, YOUR \nmoney goes to your OUTSTANDING National Health System, not enough at the end \nof the day to demonstrate real leadership on such funding such frivolous \nactivities!  One thing for sure you can't be accused of taking global \nleadership position in aerospace.   Oh I almost forgot the Avro.\n\n\n\n----- Original Message ----- \nFrom: \"Luc Leblanc\" <[email protected]>\nTo: <[email protected]>\nSent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:50 PM\nSubject: [amsat-bb] NO MILITARY COOPERATION ON AO-51\n\n\nOn 15 Feb 2007 at 21:06, Robert Davies wrote:\n\n>\n>  To compare the US Air Force Academy and AMSAT to the NAZI V-1 and V-2\n> rockets is ludicrous.\n\nWhat's funny on this BB is many are interpreting the text with what they \nthink\nsilently. Probably afraid to be honest up to a point  to reveal what they\nreally think about \"real questions\".\n\nThe fact you don't want to hear someone else opinion is just another proof \nthat\nthe general idea behind a post make's you feel bad (And i understand this\ncompletely human) Just look at the pictures on the link below and JUST give \nme\none sound answer why AMSAT-NA and all the worldwide satellite users should\nendorse \"the military\". For one i don't wants to be associated to this in\nanyway. If some cannot clean their own rank's they should take the liability \nof\ntheir pairs. It is what's we called assuming your own actions.\n\nI ask also the same towards  K7ZT Joe Westbrook, MSgt., USAF Retired. He \nwrote\n\"Just a reminder, if it wasn't for the United States Military, there \nwouldn't\nbe a Satellite\" He was answered back on his other untrue statement by \nMargaret\nLeber \"But it's entirely untrue that Canada doesn't support space \nexploration\"\neven if she also seems to questioned this BB is \"unmoderated\" i can ask her \ntoo\nif the pictures and actions depicted below where also made by lunatics? Is \nthis\nwhole army is a bunch of \"lunatics\" I understand private are trained to obey\norders by a subtile brain washing system could be the fact to lived in a\ncontext where your commander in chief \"LIE\" to the world about mass \ndestruction\narms can have some influence on judgement to a point to endorse the actions\nreported on the link below. Another explanation is if you commit in your \ncareer\nacts much worse than the one depicted below you are now immunized to human's\nright globally and you tend to associate rather than dissociate with those\nacts.\n\nMr former MSgt did i understand you are endorsing the acts depicted below \nand\nyou want us that  \" we cooperate with our friends at the USAFA\"?\n\nPlease clarify yourself but don't tell us lies... we used to be accustomed \nto\nyour commander in chief and followers trend.Try to be honest at least once \nfor\nthis one.\n\n\nHere is the link, look at it and try to convince the rest of the world that\nAMSAT-NA and the amateur radio international community should endorse this\nstatement from Andrew Glasbrenner, KO4MA \"please be patient as we cooperate\nwith our friends at the USAFA.\n\nThe link:\n\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse\n\n\nWhat i refer to in my statement below is exactly this \"suffer the \nconsequences\nof you acts even if at the base root actions where legitimate, the end \nresults\nis often disastrous.\n\n\"Just an historical note. There was a bunch of rocket scientist in \nPeenemünde\nwho from 1936 to 1943 where making also scientific rocket search and test \nand\nyou probably know also  their final product! the V-1 and V-2 rocket.\"\n\nIf you believe this text is \"To compare the US Air Force Academy and AMSAT \nto\nthe NAZI V-1 and V-2\"  It's your own interpretation ans i respect it!\n\n\nAs many private post received,  this one give all the magnitude of the \ngeneral\nclimate down the border\n\n \"Finally, if freedom of expression is not valid here, please let me know.\n\nGary Memory, N7BRJ\"\n\nCan we conclude now the words is \"hypocrisy\" and \"lies\" is driving the \nactions\nof a whole country?\n\nAnother last question here. In the promotion of the DEMOCRACY since the last \n30\nyears where forces has been used to implement it. How many of theses really\nresulted in a real free one today?\n\nThe answer will help you understand why AMSAT-NA and the international\ncommunity should not endorse direct cooperation with any military forces and \nan\namateur satellite funded by HAM'S international donations should not be used \nto\nhelp military forces with any amateur radio IARU designated satellie as \nAO-51\nor any other amateur radio satellite.\n\nI know some are willing to prostitute for money does not mean this BB is\navailable to all for whatever lunatic propaganda suits them some are saying. \nI\ncalled this an excuse to prostitution and as i wrote in the past \"Stupidity \nhas\nno sex\" {uprorious laughter ensues}\n\nOwn words making more sense in other context...\n\n\n\n\n\"-\"\n\"It is not the class of license the amateur holds, but the class of the \namateur\nthat holds the license.\"\n\nLuc Leblanc VE2DWE\nSkype VE2DWE\nwww.qsl.net/ve2dwe\nWAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb \n\n",
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