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    "sender_name": "Norm n3ykf",
    "subject": "Re: [amsat-bb] Solar RFI?",
    "date": "2017-05-09T18:37:43Z",
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    "content": "Good installation practices are key. Try to force contractors going\nfor the bottom line to use good materials and practices.\nNot a chance.\n<div id=\"DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2\"><br />\n<table style=\"border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;\">\n\t<tr>\n        <td style=\"width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;\"><a\nhref=\"http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail\"\ntarget=\"_blank\"><img\nsrc=\"https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png\"\nwidth=\"46\" height=\"29\" style=\"width: 46px; height: 29px;\" /></a></td>\n\t\t<td style=\"width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;\nfont-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\nline-height: 18px;\">Virus-free. <a\nhref=\"http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail\"\ntarget=\"_blank\" style=\"color: #4453ea;\">www.avg.com</a>\n\t\t</td>\n\t</tr>\n</table><a href=\"#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2\" width=\"1\"\nheight=\"1\"></a></div>\n\nOn Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Greg Stahlman <[email protected]> wrote:\n> Problem is, solar MFGR’s are exempt from Part-15, BUT, the operators are not!  At least that’s the way I read it.\n>\n>\n>\n> 100uV/M is a LOT!  Especially when trying to run weak signal stuff!   My neighbor’s is about 18db over night time noise floor!\n>\n>\n>\n> I heard good things about “Micro Inverters” vs the more common “Optimizers”, which are basically a DC-DC converter on the back of the panel, and they were right!  I had a 7KW system put on my roof but demanded they use  Microinverters and I hear NOTHING!!   Very quiet!\n>\n>\n>\n> The Optimizers are a HUGE nuisance from 80M through 6M and even on 2M.\n>\n>\n>\n> Regardless if they fall under the 100uV/M, the main rule of Part 15 states simply  “…must not cause harmful interference, even if it results in the improper operation of the interfering device.”\n>\n>\n>\n> 73\n>\n>\n>\n> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Bruninga\n> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 7:30 AM\n> To: [email protected]\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Solar RFI?\n>\n>\n>\n> RFI from Solar?\n>\n>\n>\n> With solar now cheaper than coal, solar is exploding in to neighborhoods\n> with favorable progressive policies.\n>\n> But, they can produce lots of RFI with significant impact on Hams operating\n> HF.\n>\n>\n>\n> With 16 kW of solar on my roof, I feel in a good position to be proactive\n> in documenting the overall impact of solar on HF operations.\n>\n>\n>\n> We’ve seen QST articles on the very high RFI levels from solar systems that\n> use microinverters and optimizers located at every single panel on the roof\n> which are a nightmare to filter, while string inverters are easy to filter\n> at the one location on the ground.\n>\n>\n>\n> My thoughts are to come up with a standard test that Hams near solar\n> installations can do to document any RFI.  Although none of us will have\n> standard calibrated antennas or receivers, we can at least make comparative\n> measurements to background noise levels.  Either with the array on and off\n> or between day and night at a fixed distance from the array.\n>\n>\n>\n> I believe the part 15 limits for unintentional radiators is for 100 uV/m at\n> a distance of 30 meters (100 feet).  On a 1 meter portable antenna I\n> calculate that is equivalent to 36uV or within a dB of S9.  That’s a lot of\n> noise (if I did that right)…\n>\n>\n>\n> And if it was a full size dipole say on 20m, then the allowable noise would\n> be 20 over S9 (again, if I did that right) Wow.\n>\n>\n>\n> If anyone wants to submit measurements Ill collect them.\n>\n>\n>\n> My suggestion is to take a portable HF rig (FT-817 or TH-F6 or TH-D74) and\n> an approximate 1m whip antenna and report at 100 feet from the array, the S\n> readings with the array on and with it off (or day vs night).\n>\n>\n>\n> I welcome more expertise in this area.  Although this is not an AMSAT\n> issue, this is the only email group I’m on that might have people with\n> those easy portable HF radios.\n>\n>\n>\n> Bob, WB4APR\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\n> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed\n> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n>\n>\n> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of detection engine 15387 (20170509) __________\n>\n> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.\n>\n> http://www.eset.com\n>\n>\n>\n> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of detection engine 15387 (20170509) __________\n>\n> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.\n>\n> http://www.eset.com\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\n> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed\n> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n",
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