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    "sender_name": "Bruce Robertson",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: Programming language recommendation?",
    "date": "2008-10-06T02:07:38Z",
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    "content": "I appreciate Gordon's expert opinion below. If you'd like something\nthat is very, very simple to work with in order to  explore the world\nof PIC programming, you should also consider the picaxe line of\nproducts. These  comprise PIC chips with a basic interpreter on\nboard. The wiring for the programmer is very simple, and the toolchain\nis easy because it removes the compiling stage.\n\nWhile I'm trying to  move on to the atmel line, using this inexpensive\nprogrammer:\nhttp://www.ladyada.net/make/usbtinyisp/index.html\n\nI still find the picaxe chips  dead  handy for all sorts  of little\njobs because so much is built into them.\n\nAs  for computer programming, I would encourage someone returning to\nthis  practice to consider adding one of the cross-platform scripting\nlanguages to his or her arsenal. Ruby and Python are both good\nchoices.\n\n\n73, Bruce\nVE9QRP\n\n\n\nOn Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ\n<[email protected]> wrote:\n> JW wrote:\n>> Along the same line: anyone on here doing PIC programming or know of a\n>> list for beginners? From CW keyers to Antenna control units and\n>> everything in between it looks like it would be fun to program some\n>> gadgets for around the shack...\n>\n> Without lighting up a PIC/AVR flamewar, I've pretty much entirely moved\n> from PIC to AVR.  The hardware is generally two to four times faster for\n> the same clock rate (gets more done per cycle) and is easier to program\n> - you can make up an AVR programmer for the parallel port that's\n> basically three resistors!\n>\n> Furthermore, the toolchain is much better for AVR - Microchip are only\n> interested in pushing their frankly dreadful Windows-only MPLAB\n> software, while Atmel actively contribute to avr-gcc, a cross-platform\n> toolchain based on the industry standard gcc.  The whole AVR community\n> seems a lot better than the PIC one, and I say that as a long-standing\n> user of PIC microcontrollers.\n>\n> In short, PIC is great, but the community isn't as strong and the tools\n> are rubbish.  On the other hand, Microchip are always more than happy to\n>  sample parts and their customer support is *excellent*.\n>\n> AVR is technically superior in pretty much every way, with an excellent\n> community.  Unfortunately Atmel's tech support are a dour bunch who are\n> often hard to get good information out of, and not great at sending samples.\n>\n> I haven't tried the ARM-based AVRs or the MIPS-based PICs yet, though.\n> Those might be something to tempt me back to Microchip, if MIPS is as\n> good as I remember it ;-)\n>\n> Gordon\n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>\n",
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