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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/XQAUYFOQ6CI54ROXZWFUDJ2KQJIZXQD6/",
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        "address": "f.grappi (a) tin.it",
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    "sender_name": "Francesco Grappi",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb]  I:  Re: Trolls on the -bb",
    "date": "2009-09-03T10:02:41Z",
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    "content": "....Yes Domenico, I8CVS\n\nunfortunately you are right......snip....sigh...\n\n...but hope must never die...\n\n73\"\nFrank IW4DVZ\n\n\n> -----Messaggio originale-----\n> Da: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Per\n> conto di i8cvs\n> Inviato: giovedì 3 settembre 2009 11.52\n> A: John B. Stephensen; Luc Leblanc; AMSAT-BB\n> Oggetto: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb\n> \n> ----- Original Message -----\n> From: \"John B. Stephensen\" <[email protected]>\n> To: \"Luc Leblanc\" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>\n> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:12 AM\n> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb\n> \n> > P3E is a HEO with the same engine as P3D and no benefactor funding a\n> launch.\n> \n> Hi John, KD6OZH\n> \n> P3E is the only HEO with the possibility to be launched because her\n> will\n> carry on  several experiments related to the Mars probe P5A under\n> development in AMSAT-DL\n> P3E is already made and it is standing in the labs of the University of\n> Marburg Germany and is waiting for a launch opportunity while P5E is\n> still\n> under development.\n> \n> > It seems more reasonable to focus on projects that we can pay to\n> launch\n> \n> All joined AMSAT togheter in the world has not the financial capability\n> to\n> pay for a HEO launch and this matter has been already discussed several\n> time on this BB\n> \n> > or  where someone has already donated the launch.\n> \n> Nobody has donated a launch for free or about for free on HEO except\n> ESA for\n> OSCAR-10 OSCAR-13 and AO40 upon political strategy conducted mostly by\n> AMSAT-DL and this is why we must pull for P3E.......I agree completely\n> with\n> Luc, VE2DWE\n> \n> Actually the rest of HEO's are only on brains, on desk and on papers.\n> \n> > 73,\n> >\n> > John\n> > KD6OZH\n> \n> 73\" de\n> \n> i8CVS Domenico\n> \n> > ----- Original Message -----\n> > From: \"Luc Leblanc\" <[email protected]>\n> > To: <[email protected]>\n> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 02:42 UTC\n> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Trolls on the -bb\n> > >> I know AMSAT has had it's issues over it's long history, and we\n> are all\n> > >> disappointed that HEOs seem to be almost out of reach for us now.\n> We\n> are\n> > >> all\n> > >> human and we all make mistakes, especially when it involves rocket\n> > >> engines,\n> > >> building spacecraft on hobby store budgets, and getting all past\n> our\n> > >> benefactor launch agency trials and schedules.\n> > >\n> > > If \"HEOs seem to be almost out of reach for us now\" what we should\n> do\n> > > next? no more false illusions about geo sat's and so on just get\n> back\n> > > on earth and focused on how to help P3E and our German friend.\n> >\n> > _______________________________________________\n> > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the\n> author.\n> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> program!\n> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> _______________________________________________\n> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the\n> author.\n> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite\n> program!\n> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n\n",
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