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    "sender_name": "Bob- W7LRD",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: Satellites",
    "date": "2012-09-23T02:51:22Z",
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    "content": "I'm grateful to the old curmudgeons who show up here often. Keeping the concept of MEO/HEO L/S band alive is essential. My AO-40 sobsob) gear is in moth balls, just waiting. Yep, Work 'em till they fall out of the sky! \n73 Bob W7LRD \n\n----- Original Message -----\nFrom: \"Gus 8P6SM\" <[email protected]> \nTo: [email protected] \nSent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 7:21:06 PM \nSubject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellites \n\nOn 09/22/2012 06:55 PM, K4FEG wrote: \n> WORK 'EM TIL THEY FALL OUT OF THE SKY! \n\nAbsolutely! \n\nWhen I was active on satellite, we had multiple, digital, store 'n' \nforward PacSats, each with several simultaneous uplink frequencies. We \nhad single-channel FM birds operating at LEO so people could work them \nwith HTs. We had LEO and HEO birds with linear transponders with \npass-bands 100k wide or more. You could QSO with Russian Robots. You \ncould work Mode-A, -B, -J, -L and -S. Even, as I did a few times, B/S \n(no BS!). Some of these birds would come up over the hill and hang \nthere in the sky for 4, 6, maybe even 8 hours at a time. There were \nbirds with communications ranges of more than 15,000 Km. \n\nOver and above the communications capabilities, most satellites were \nalso experimental platforms of some sort or another. Testing memory \nerror correction software. Testing tantalum and brass shielding for \ndelicate circuitry. Running beacons at extremely high frequencies. \n\nAll of this TWENTY years ago. \n\nNowadays... what? We have a handful of single-channel FM birds, and a \nhandful of linear transponders, all at LEO. The youngest of these is \nseven years old. The remainder are all in double-digits, with La Grande \nDame an incredible THIRTY EIGHT years old! \n\nOk, so forgive me if I suffer from OFS (Old Fart Syndrome) which \noccasionally causes a droplet to fall from my eye. But it is \nembarrassing to consider how much PROGRESS we've made in the last twenty \nyears. \n\nThe amateur satellite community were the first to try lots of new launch \ntechnology, and to bear the risk of those tests. Those technologies now \nearn millions for the launch providers every year, but we don't earn a \ncent and we certainly don't rate even the occasional free ride. We have \nno friends in those launch providers. We have no friends in NASA, \napparently. We have no friends in government. We have nothing much, \nreally. \n\nExcept we have a spectrum allocation. One that every Tom, Dick and \nHarry seems to want to use. Yet we can't leverage this into anything of \nany particular value to us? Year after year, launch after launch, we \nhear about educational Yawn-Sats with \"amateur payloads\" that are really \nthe satellite operators running telemetry and telecommand on OUR \nfrequencies and giving nothing back in return. How that continues to \nhappen, I can't even begin to guess. If it were up to a dummy like me \nthere would be NO MORE LAUNCHES using amateur frequencies, unless they \ncarried a GENUINE amateur payload as part of the flight hardware. (Or \nat least made a fat donation to a launch-fund, but that's probably \nillegal.) Thank goodness there are smarter people out there who \nwouldn't make the sort of mistake I would! Because allowing them to use \nour frequencies entirely for their own purposes, year after year, is \nhailed as the best and only way forward. \n\nSo yes, my friend. Work 'em while they're there! Because it sure don't \nlook like we are going to get any more. And even if we do, don't expect \nto get anything even REMOTELY as advanced as we used to have, two \ndecades ago. Nowadays, ker-chunking a flying repeater is the absolute \nheight of satellite sophistication! \n\nSorry, gotta go. Droplets are leaking from my eyes again. \n\n-- \n73, de Gus 8P6SM \nThe Easternmost Isle \n\n_______________________________________________ \nSent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. \nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! \nSubscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb \n",
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